Manny Pacquiao's best performance and the peak of his career was against Miguel Cotto

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  • The Big Dunn
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    #31
    Originally posted by .WesternChamp.
    you can pick and choose when you want to use this excuse. if cotto was affected against pac, so was marquez against floyd.
    That is a childish way of looking at things. You really need to grow up and look at things as an adult.

    I didn't pick an choose anything. I asked a legitimate question that a rational, mature adult wouldn't get upset about. Why you got so upset and took it as a personal attack on your beloved Manny speaks volumes about where your emotional maturity is.

    JMM's trainer wasn't in Floyd's corner. I think you can argue that JMM's promoter did give Floyd all the advantages.

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      #32
      Originally posted by The Big Dunn
      That is a childish way of looking at things. You really need to grow up and look at things as an adult.

      I didn't pick an choose anything. I asked a legitimate question that a rational, mature adult wouldn't get upset about. Why you got so upset and took it as a personal attack on your beloved Manny speaks volumes about where your emotional maturity is.

      JMM's trainer wasn't in Floyd's corner. I think you can argue that JMM's promoter did give Floyd all the advantages.
      Roach became Cotto's trainer around 4 years after the Cotto-Pacquaio fight.

      I know for sure Beristain didn't want the fight but Golden Boy had pushed for it. You can even see Gomez whispering in Marquez' ear to call Floyd out after the Diaz fight. At that time Marquez was pissed at GBP. They'd promised him the big fights and money yet he'd only cracked over $1m (barely) for Barrera and Pacquaio II. They even paid Berto more on the undercard to Mqrquez-Katsidis. Marquez only really wanted to fight Pacquaio and was already thinking retirement. Me and some of my friends were with him in his hotel suite the day before the Diaz fight. Marquez at that time was a small lightweight who'd not long since been a featherweight at age 33.

      It was a cherry pick by Floyd and an act of desperation for GBP to keep Marquez happy. Pacquaio-Cotto was a far more legitimate match-up and I'd say the 1 pound Cotto had shed from his previous fight made far less difference than the two divisions Marquez all of a sudden moved up vs. an opponent who then refused to comply with the contract.

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        #33
        Originally posted by chrisJS
        Roach became Cotto's trainer around 4 years after the Cotto-Pacquaio fight.

        I know for sure Beristain didn't want the fight but Golden Boy had pushed for it. You can even see Gomez whispering in Marquez' ear to call Floyd out after the Diaz fight. At that time Marquez was pissed at GBP. They'd promised him the big fights and money yet he'd only cracked over $1m (barely) for Barrera and Pacquaio II. They even paid Berto more on the undercard to Mqrquez-Katsidis. Marquez only really wanted to fight Pacquaio and was already thinking retirement. Me and some of my friends were with him in his hotel suite the day before the Diaz fight. Marquez at that time was a small lightweight who'd not long since been a featherweight at age 33.

        It was a cherry pick by Floyd and an act of desperation for GBP to keep Marquez happy. Pacquaio-Cotto was a far more legitimate match-up and I'd say the 1 pound Cotto had shed from his previous fight made far less difference than the two divisions Marquez all of a sudden moved up vs. an opponent who then refused to comply with the contract.
        Yes.

        The JMM fight was a clear show of force by Floyd. He knew Manny/JMM had been in very close fights and all he wanted to do was show the world how far apart he was from both guys by beating JMM, who was universally recognized as the 2nd best in the world during Floyd's "retirement".

        GBP definitely took advantage of JMM and offered him up. I can't prove this but I think the deal was Floyd wouldn't totally destroy him by KO. Floyd visibly took his foot off the gas after the 2nd round KD.

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          #34
          Originally posted by boliodogs
          I thought he looked even better against Diaz and Hatton.He never was a true welterweight and his natural best fighting weight might be 135 and certainly no higher than 140. He fought at 147 so much because of the bigger money fights. He looked great in the Cotto fight for sure.
          I think the sweet spot for him would have probably been 140lbs, but like you said, the money was at 147

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          • pasawayako
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            #35
            Some boxer even said that it was impossible for pac to beat cotto. it was an unbelievable performance by pac

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