VADA tested Povetkin 5 times. Which means

[Citizen Koba]

Suddenly a possibility eh?

Anyone else fails and VADA is golden doe

**** no. I think Povetkin is dirty as hell (not to mention absolutely fuckin ******) was merely pointing out that if the poster I was replying to was making accusations of corruption on the grounds of logical deduction .. which he was .. then falsification is also a possibility he should have included. It was a point of reasoning rather than support for any particular fighter

EDIT: Just for the record though, I pretty much don't trust anyone in the sport, and I ain't partial with it, which is one reason I rarely comment on testing issues.

[keith_head]

VADA is either incompetent or crooked.

Don't think so.

It's clear that the UKAD is crooked though, after the Fury Nandrolone scandal last year. Either the test result was corrupt, or the agency is corrupt as they've been allowed to fight since then with no consequences.

I think VADA is probably the best of the lot, IMO.

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

VADA is either incompetent or crooked.

And I remember quite a few peeps around here getting on Mayweather for using "Crooked" USADA instead of VADA for random testing.

Something doesn't add up. How do you get busted on a test just before the fight but not tests leading up to it? It's like he juiced the day before the fight - but that wouldn't do anything for him except maybe help him cut a bit.

The Duhaupas KO seems to confirm what people have been saying though - boxing's decline is directly matched to the cleanup of the sport. Put them on the juice, you see those brutal KO's from the 80's. No juice, better get used to Kovalev/Ward level bouts for the future.

Might as well let them both do it at this point.

naive lil kids.

lmfao you fools actually think **** is on the up an up.

millions of dollars are changing hands. Not in the sense that you lil brains can phantom but in business sense networking is happening.

[soul_survivor]

VADA is either incompetent or crooked.

And I remember quite a few peeps around here getting on Mayweather for using "Crooked" USADA instead of VADA for random testing.

Something doesn't add up. How do you get busted on a test just before the fight but not tests leading up to it? It's like he juiced the day before the fight - but that wouldn't do anything for him except maybe help him cut a bit.

The Duhaupas KO seems to confirm what people have been saying though - boxing's decline is directly matched to the cleanup of the sport. Put them on the juice, you see those brutal KO's from the 80's. No juice, better get used to Kovalev/Ward level bouts for the future.

Might as well let them both do it at this point.

People like you are representative of the intellectual level (or lack of) of boxing fans.

[MDPopescu]

Look, I get it.

You're a Povetkin fan. You've followed him for years. You love the guy.

The bottom line is, this is called VOLUNTARY Anti Doping Agency for a reason. He ACCEPTED the terms of VADA testing.

Why would a person accept terms of VADA when juicing? It doesn't make sense.

Thus there are only two logical answers: VADA is incompetent (some of their testing that should have busted him a long time ago, didn't) or corrupt (they purposely withheld failed tests until the last minute).

... "incompetence" may be easily revealed -- by testing the "B sample(s)" with a third party... as about "corruption": well this more delicate to deal with...

[Combat Talk Radio]

I take it you believe Lance Armstrong, the cyclist, never cheated? Because he passed a bunch of tests before he was definitively caught.

Lance Armstrong didn't fail a test minutes before getting on a bike. He wasn't "caught" until years after the fact. That's fine - he covered up well and even went on record later admitting how he did it.

But to have some testing association reveal some failed test hours before a fight? A fight that would have otherwise made some decent money in the ******** underground because it was largely a tossup? You don't find that suspect?

... "incompetence" may be easily revealed -- by testing the "B sample(s)" with a third party... as about "corruption": well this more delicate to deal with...

In other situations where a fighter failed the A sample, they were allowed to proceed while the B sample was tested. Here, the B sample hadn't come back yet. The fighter can appeal the finding assuming sufficient lead time was given. Here, they just threw the announcement out hours before the fight - putting Stiverne in a stick. GO with a fight with a likely roided up opponent or don't. I think Bermane did the right thing.

People like you are representative of the intellectual level (or lack of) of boxing fans.

Whatever dude. I'm not advocating anything, I'm saying that the outcome with Duhaupas was clear evidence that boxers in the 80's were roided out of their minds in many cases - because the KO was just as brutal, just as fast, just as clean. We don't see anything close to that these days in the upper ranks outside of Canelo/Khan and Marquez/Pacquiao - and rarely in the lower ranks.

And if my memory serves me that was the first time Duhaupas ever hit the canvas. How do you explain that? A power fighter in Deontay Wilder couldn't do it but Povetkin can?

[lfc19titles]

VADA is either incompetent or crooked.

And I remember quite a few peeps around here getting on Mayweather for using "Crooked" USADA instead of VADA for random testing.

Something doesn't add up. How do you get busted on a test just before the fight but not tests leading up to it? It's like he juiced the day before the fight - but that wouldn't do anything for him except maybe help him cut a bit.

The Duhaupas KO seems to confirm what people have been saying though - boxing's decline is directly matched to the cleanup of the sport. Put them on the juice, you see those brutal KO's from the 80's. No juice, better get used to Kovalev/Ward level bouts for the future.

Might as well let them both do it at this point.

Read this http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/3826160

Russians have clean samples with them to get away with cheating but sometimes these tests catch them out

Russia as a country encourages cheating and have developed ways to
Avoid positive tests

Too bad they aren't 100 percent perfect at it

Hell they had over 1k athletes cheating and got away with it some even used female samples of urine to pass off as their own

The whole country is corrupt and a cancer which needs to die

[keith_head]

Read this http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/3826160

Russians have clean samples with them to get away with cheating but sometimes these tests catch them out

Russia as a country encourages cheating and have developed ways to
Avoid positive tests

Too bad they aren't 100 percent perfect at it

Hell they had over 1k athletes cheating and got away with it some even used female samples of urine to pass off as their own

The whole country is corrupt and a cancer which needs to die

I don't disagree that there's been some dodgy **** going on but dude you could say exactly the same thing about American and British athletes right now. The UKADA is arguably more corrupt than the Russian system, with various athletes having legitimate "doctor's certificates" enabling them to take PEDs.

This isn't about nationalities. This is about catching the cheaters, wherever they're from.

VADA needs a big pat on the back, and we as fans should speak with our wallets by never paying to watch fights from anyone who ever tests positive.

[SCEN3RY]

It's just a matter of beating the tests. Olympians are doing it consistently at the highest level every single time. VADA is no exception. He beat the test a number of times and then he didn't. It's certainly strange he gets caught closer to the fight, when evidence shows steroid use is most effective during heavy training, not when a guy is tapering off. That's worth an eyebrow raise, sure, otherwise it looks like he just found a way to beat the tests until now.

[devildg]

at this point in time, EVERY Russian is guilty until proven innocent. Pretty much a whole country of amoral cheaters.