Comments Thread For: Showtime's Espinoza Not Concerned About Recent Ratings

[Eff Pandas]

I don't know that I see Joshua as the game-changer you do.

I'm not saying he definitely is a game changer. I'm merely saying potentially he's a game changer. And if you don't see how a HW who's been deemed the 5th most marketable athlete (not boxer) in the world (not just the UK) isn't a game changer for whoever works with him idk what to say to convince you.

I mean for sure there is still the need for Joshua to live up to the hype he's got behind him, but this cat already gots more sponsors them most elite level guys have in their whole career. Imagine how big Joshua gets if he beats Klitschko in April to further legitimize himself?

And I'd also suggest there is a need for the American casual fan to get aboard the Joshua train since there seems to be a lack of interest in boxing by American sports fans & even past that point I believe its harder for a non-latino, non-American to become popular PPV caliber guys in the US with only Lennox Lewis & Manny Pacquiao being about to do it in the last few decades as I recall it.

So for sure its not a done deal that Joshua is gonna become the Mayweather of boxing worldwide cuz there are obstacles, but right now I don't think anyone is a close 2nd in becoming as popular as Joshua could & for sure that would be huge if Showtime could have a relationship with that guy in the early portion of his career as he becomes must see TV.

[AddiX]

They may not pay attention (Idk for certain) but come on, they have to have some type of clue about wtf is going on. There's just no way.

They have a clue, but that clue comes directly from Espinoza and Haymon.

If you have any doubt always remind yourself. Haymon and Espinoza convinced them that Jacobs and Quillin were stars, Showtime gave them a lot of easy money fights to help build them up, and that was suppose to be a big fight when they met.

Showtime even did their garbage promo show for the fight. Paid a lot of money in license fees for that fight too.

Fight didn't even break 300k. As soon as those numbers came in that should been it for Espinoza.

Espinoza, Haymon, and his whole stable is still living off Floyd. None of these dudes accomplished **** without him. Floyd Should get 10% of all of their paychecks, not even joking.

[Mitchell Kane]

And I'd also suggest there is a need for the American casual fan to get aboard the Joshua train since there seems to be a lack of interest in boxing by American sports fans & even past that point I believe its harder for a non-latino, non-American to become popular PPV caliber guys in the US with only Lennox Lewis & Manny Pacquiao being about to do it in the last few decades as I recall it.

Exactly my point.

Neither Klitschko ever became PPV stars in the US.

I would argue Lennox Lewis was never a PPV "star" in the US.

He had two opponents he did huge PPV numbers against...Evander Holyfield and Mike Tyson...both were American fighters who were more established that he was in the US ppv market.

What current American heavyweights are established PPV draws?

Furthermore, boxing ratings aren't what they were back when Lewis or the Klitschko's were establishing their names....and Joshua is on SHO, which doesn't even do the ratings HBO does today, much less the ratings HBO did back when Lewis or the Klitschko's were at similar stages to where Joshua is now in his career.

[MDPopescu]

... Mares vs Cuellar was scheduled earlier on the card -- therefore it's no surprise it had such a poor audience... (I even missed the fight).

[al-Xander]

Showtime/PBC are just in the business of producing random fights. Fans have no stories to follow. Fighters appear, disappear, then reappear. They win big now, then completely forgotten later. There is no continuity. That's why they haven't build stars after all these years. I could almost guarantee that Jermall Charlo would either be inactive for long periods of time or pitted against a nobody for his next fight. How many of them are now fighting once a year?

[Eff Pandas]

Exactly my point.

Neither Klitschko ever became PPV stars in the US.

I would argue Lennox Lewis was never a PPV "star" in the US.

He had two opponents he did huge PPV numbers against...Evander Holyfield and Mike Tyson...both were American fighters who were more established that he was in the US ppv market.

What current American heavyweights are established PPV draws?

Furthermore, boxing ratings aren't what they were back when Lewis or the Klitschko's were establishing their names....and Joshua is on SHO, which doesn't even do the ratings HBO does today, much less the ratings HBO did back when Lewis or the Klitschko's were at similar stages to where Joshua is now in his career.

I agree getting American casual fans onboard is a obstacle we just disagree on it being overcome. I think it can be and you appear to not think it can be.

[Dr Rumack]

"We're the market leader"

[Flash13]

I agree getting American casual fans onboard is a obstacle we just disagree on it being overcome. I think it can be and you appear to not think it can be.

I'm with you I think joshua is a game changer. If joshua beats wlad(it would be horrible for boxing if he didn't), and captures the rest of the belts a wilder fight would be massive. Could be a huge game changer, especially if it's exciting. That's the key.

[Sup]

I've seen him in person before. He's literally 5'5"

[al-Xander]

Basically what he said is that PBC is a failure and instead of helping Showtime it hurt them.

Haymon, espinoza are top tier ******s at building their boxing brands. I cant believe how much money they have burnt up over the years for terrible ratings, and building no stars.

Espinoza needs to be replaced by someone who can expand the base, instead of relying too much on questionable characters like Haymon and Schaefer.