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  • #11
    Originally posted by Motorcity Cobra View Post
    That's one GGG fan coming to his senses. Any others want to join? HeroBando _Maxi OnePunch Eastcoast ????? In three years when Canelo is only 31 and still fighting on PPV and GGG is 38 and getting ready to retire and the fight never happened will you still be trying to explain to everybody why he would've been stupid to take the $10 mil? Will you still be telling us GGG is still trying to negotiate a better deal for Nov 2020?
    maybe critical thinking isnt your strong suit, but at least TRY to understand that regardless of whether he accepts the "offer" today, or next June, the fight isnt going to happen a SINGLE DAY sooner.

    So what exactly is your issue with them trying to negotiate a better deal than was in the first offer?


    If Golden Boy was offering that fight NEXT, then you would have a legitimate argument. But they arent, so you dont.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by Sadiqkingofko View Post
      Lara, Cotto, and Mayweather beat Murray and Lemiuex
      I'll just go ahead and add "EASILY" to your statement.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by OnePunch View Post
        maybe critical thinking isnt your strong suit, but at least TRY to understand that regardless of whether he accepts the "offer" today, or next June, the fight isnt going to happen a SINGLE DAY sooner.

        So what exactly is your issue with them trying to negotiate a better deal than was in the first offer?


        If Golden Boy was offering that fight NEXT, then you would have a legitimate argument. But they arent, so you dont.
        When Oscar said the fight would happen next September Tom said he wanted something on paper. This is what he wanted. But not suddenly he should wait? I'm just going along with what Tom said which is wanted something on paper guaranteeing the fight.

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        • #14
          I ain't in GGGs shoes but I'd be trying to negotiate a better deal, however if $10 mil is the final say he'd do well to take it in my estimation. Agreeing early and then counting on it actually happening without cast iron guarantees (ie a big $ failure to honour clause) would be hopelessly naive though.

          Best bet for Golovkin I think is to try to just get on with his career without any expectation of a Canelo fight ever getting made, then treating it as a windfall should it actually happen.

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          • #15
            To me this purse split should be obvious: Canelo 66:33 Golovkin. All of the numbers we have indicate that Canelo is about twice as big a draw as GGG is, so he should get twice as much money

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            • #16
              Originally posted by OnePunch View Post
              maybe critical thinking isnt your strong suit, but at least TRY to understand that regardless of whether he accepts the "offer" today, or next June, the fight isnt going to happen a SINGLE DAY sooner.

              So what exactly is your issue with them trying to negotiate a better deal than was in the first offer?


              If Golden Boy was offering that fight NEXT, then you would have a legitimate argument. But they arent, so you dont.
              He's mentally challenged.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by HeadShots View Post
                You have to look at a business from a bottom line perspective. it is allllllllllllllll about risk vs reward.


                At 160, in a fight realistically, Canelo loses 9/10 to GGG. It is just a horrific matchup for Canelo. He's giving up, reach, power, activity, stamina and yes boxing skills. Plus Canelo has concrete feet. We can argue about this separately.


                So basically, if you have a 90% chance of winning with GGG from your camp. You are holding King King and 2 kings just flopped on the river. Someone says "all in" are you going to think twice? you absolutely take the gamble.

                Goldenboy and Canelo need to take a much larger share of the pie because their future would be uncertain after this sustained punishing loss.



                It all comes down to probability. It is not about drawing power. It's about the probability of the actual fight. Your risk is far, far lower than GB
                According to Oscar, the offer to GGG was made in August of this year, and it was for a fight in Sept 2017.

                If GGG had been offered $10million and 160, back in August, to fight Canelo immediately, then what you are saying would make sense. But being asked to sign accepting terms for a fight that wouldn't happen for over a year changes everything.

                Who knows what the situation will be by Sept next year?

                What if GGG gets a fight with BJS and adds the WBO title to his collection?

                What if his fight with Jacobs happens and does better PPV numbers than Canelo's last outing? 260K is not all that difficult a target to beat.

                What if Canelo can't hack it with a genuine MW, at 160, and loses when he tries moving up?

                And why accept the first offer you get with a whole year to negotiate and so many unkown factors involved?

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by HeadShots View Post
                  This fight is at 160 so we can't look at things in a P4P sense.

                  Martin Murray beats everyone on Canelo's resume. David Lemiux beats everyone too at 160.


                  Honestly Kell Brook beats everyone on Canelo's resume including Mayweather at that age.
                  At 160, I would pick Brook to beat Canelo too.
                  Last edited by kafkod; 12-15-2016, 11:54 AM.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by HeadShots View Post
                    You have to look at a business from a bottom line perspective. it is allllllllllllllll about risk vs reward.


                    At 160, in a fight realistically, Canelo loses 9/10 to GGG. It is just a horrific matchup for Canelo. He's giving up, reach, power, activity, stamina and yes boxing skills. Plus Canelo has concrete feet. We can argue about this separately.


                    So basically, if you have a 90% chance of winning with GGG from your camp. You are holding King King and 2 kings just flopped on the river. Someone says "all in" are you going to think twice? you absolutely take the gamble.

                    Goldenboy and Canelo need to take a much larger share of the pie because their future would be uncertain after this sustained punishing loss.



                    It all comes down to probability. It is not about drawing power. It's about the probability of the actual fight. Your risk is far, far lower than GB
                    K2's every action on this fight, and other fights if we're honest, makes it utterly clear that they don't actually believe that Golovkin wins the fight 9 out of 10 times.

                    With the outcome in doubt in the minds of K2, they're scraping for every possible penny, in case their 35-year old middleweight with no record gets crushed in his biggest fight.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by Sadiqkingofko View Post
                      Lara, Cotto, and Mayweather beat Murray and Lemiuex

                      what's their combined records at 160? no cw



                      that's what i thought. just lOL
                      Last edited by HeadShots; 12-15-2016, 08:04 PM.

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