Comments Thread For: Showtime Sports Head: We Are The Market Leader, NOT HBO!

[brettWall]

****** nonsense. They're the market leader, yet they have no marketable stars. They always have to beg fights from HBO superstars like Canelo, GGG, Cotto, etc.

These SHO/PBC people are shameless. They can't even make their top fighters fight each other, ie, Charlos, Lara, Andrade, etc. And these clowns Espinoza and Schaefer say they're the market leaders. Makes me puke.

Yeah, it doesn't make sense when you rely on HBO fighters to make huge fights.

[Eastcoast]

Showtime ain't leading ****. They bombed yet again on Saturday.

Report: Nielsen Media Research says @budcrawford402 fight had average audience of 806k on @HBO and @abnermares had 224k on @ShowtimeBoxing.

— Lance Pugmire (@latimespugmire) December 13, 2016

New ratings figure for @abnermares was a peak of 377k at close of win, with average of 327k for card. Joshua drew peak of 390k.

— Lance Pugmire (@latimespugmire) December 13, 2016

The highest network rating this year went to Golovkin/Wade. Bad year for boxing.

2016 HBO-Showtime fights to break 1 million viewer mark:

GGG-Wade: 1.3
Kovalev-Pascal II: 1.2
Broner-Theophane: 1
Ward-Barrera: 1

— FightNights.com (@boxing) December 13, 2016

[The Big Dunn]

Showtime ain't leading ****. They bombed yet again on Saturday.

Report: Nielsen Media Research says @budcrawford402 fight had average audience of 806k on @HBO and @abnermares had 224k on @ShowtimeBoxing.

— Lance Pugmire (@latimespugmire) December 13, 2016

New ratings figure for @abnermares was a peak of 377k at close of win, with average of 327k for card. Joshua drew peak of 390k.

— Lance Pugmire (@latimespugmire) December 13, 2016

The highest network rating this year went to Golovkin/Wade. Bad year for boxing.

2016 HBO-Showtime fights to break 1 million viewer mark:

GGG-Wade: 1.3
Kovalev-Pascal II: 1.2
Broner-Theophane: 1
Ward-Barrera: 1

— FightNights.com (@boxing) December 13, 2016

Not surprised by this. HBO has more subscribers and Crawford is more well known than anyone on the SHO card. However, SHO had the much better fights Sat night.

Frankly, it would 've been better for the sport if the SHO card was on HBO.

[HanzGruber]

Showtime will probably take over in 2017. Not ratings wise but quality wise for sure. ***ing cotto kirkland. Ggg wants Chavez. Canelo will fight some loser next. Crawford Molina lol

[HeroBando]

Not surprised by this. HBO has more subscribers and Crawford is more well known than anyone on the SHO card. However, SHO had the much better fights Sat night.

Frankly, it would 've been better for the sport if the SHO card was on HBO.

They don't have that many more subscribers. They destroy Sho ratings prorated per subscriber, every time

[filup79]

Subscriber surveys? How about you look at the ratings lol. Their best rating this year was **** for Fnf 5 years ago.

But this is the gist, his boss retires and it's bye Sho boxing

You can compare ratings when HBO has twice as much subscribers. Most of the fights that Showtime/CBS is putting on would never happen on HBO. HBO would want to put them on PPV in order to not waste there boxing budget. People claim the PBC is over paying their boxers but its HBO who's paying millions to GGG, Ward, Canelo, Cotto and Crawford to fight tomato cans.

[HanzGruber]

Showtime ain't leading ****. They bombed yet again on Saturday.

Report: Nielsen Media Research says @budcrawford402 fight had average audience of 806k on @HBO and @abnermares had 224k on @ShowtimeBoxing.

— Lance Pugmire (@latimespugmire) December 13, 2016

New ratings figure for @abnermares was a peak of 377k at close of win, with average of 327k for card. Joshua drew peak of 390k.

— Lance Pugmire (@latimespugmire) December 13, 2016

The highest network rating this year went to Golovkin/Wade. Bad year for boxing.

2016 HBO-Showtime fights to break 1 million viewer mark:

GGG-Wade: 1.3
Kovalev-Pascal II: 1.2
Broner-Theophane: 1
Ward-Barrera: 1

— FightNights.com (@boxing) December 13, 2016

Sho is gonna have the much more quality cards. Ggg wade was hbos best performer lol. There's nothing good about Crawford Molina outdoing the mares Charlo card.

[The Big Dunn]

They don't have that many more subscribers. They destroy Sho ratings prorated per subscriber, every time

Please stop reposting "per subscriber" stuff you see others using without knowing WTF you are talking about. They have somewhere between 7-8 million more subscribers last I checked.

HBO has 30 years in the business and has cache with fans so they are still the premiere network for boxing IMO.

Whatever the difference, SHO had the better fights this weekend so I watched those live and taped HBO. If HBO had the better fights, I would've watched them live and taped SHO.

[JASON SHAW]

haymon fighters don't have exclusive deals with showtime like hbo fighters have with theirs. Hbo can't have it both ways. Hbo want to use haymon best fighters in his stable but come over to hbo as the b-side fighter

not all fighters have exclusive deals on hbo.... Hbo just likes feeding their russian hypejobs bum after bum

[Eastcoast]

You can compare ratings when HBO has twice as much subscribers. Most of the fights that Showtime/CBS is putting on would never happen on HBO. HBO would want to put them on PPV in order to not waste there boxing budget. People claim the PBC is over paying their boxers but its HBO who's paying millions to GGG, Ward, Canelo, Cotto and Crawford to fight tomato cans.

HBO has a reported 31 million subscribers.
Showtime has 23.5 million subscribers.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2015/oct/03/showtime-cable-ratings-homeland-the-affair

HBO has about 30% more viewers. That's about a quarter more than Showtime, not double.

However the discrepancy in the ratings is about double the discrepancy in the subscribers. Showtime's messing up and it's been that way for over a year. Go back last year when Jacobs/Quillin were getting the same numbers in December as this card. And yet Broner showed this year Showtime can still get good numbers.