if Canelo wins against GGG is he PFP # 1?

[Redd Foxx]

Gonzalez????? come on bro if Canelo beats Golovkin he's ranked higher than Gonzalez and I believe a win over Golovkin is better than a win over Kovalev

I don't. Kovalev has a better resume (even with the close loss) and looks to be the more talented than Golovkin to me.
I'm not a Gonzales fan, his fights a bore me, but I have to be honest and say that what he's done has more value than Canelo's recent resume +1 great win.

That's the think about Canelo, he's got the ability but what has he really done? Just because he's got a better resume than Golovkin doesn't mean he's challenging Ward and Gonzales on the P4P list.
Lara win = great (but just as disputed as Ward over Kovalev)
Cotto win = decent, but Cotto is just about done.
Then you have to factor in that he's had a loss.

And, I say that as someone who usually sticks up for Canelo.

[Raonic]

I wouldn't have him #1 (probably #2-4)but I wouldn't blame anyone who would. He'd definitely be at the upper half of the list.

[Scipio2009]

I feel like no matter what Canelo does, he'll always be downplayed by hard-core fans. GGG to some is the PFP # 1 fighter but let's say Canelo actually fights him and defeats him, which is not impossible. I feel that Canelo will still be underappreciated.

Beating Trout, Lara and Cotto really didn't much for him I guess.

My personal thing against Canelo is that his footwork kind of got exposed against Floyd and Lara but then whose footwork doesn't get exposed against these guys. Cotto's got pretty good footwork and Canelo didn't really have any issues with Cotto circling him all rounds.

The moment that Golovkin gets beat, folks in this "ratings" business will look back and see that Golovkin didn't really fight anyone, and will immediately disavow ever considering Golovkin to be a p4p fighter in the first place

[Sadiqkingofko]

I don't. Kovalev has a better resume (even with the close loss) and looks to be the more talented than Golovkin to me.
I'm not a Gonzales fan, his fights a bore me, but I have to be honest and say that what he's done has more value than Canelo's recent resume +1 great win.

That's the think about Canelo, he's got the ability but what has he really done? Just because he's got a better resume than Golovkin doesn't mean he's challenging Ward and Gonzales on the P4P list.
Lara win = great (but just as disputed as Ward over Kovalev)
Cotto win = decent, but Cotto is just about done.
Then you have to factor in that he's had a loss.

And, I say that as someone who usually sticks up for Canelo.

come on bro, he beat Cotto when Cotto was coming off knocking out Geale and Martinez, and he beat Lara in a close fight and those two wins alone are better than anything Gonzalez has done

[Pigeons]

I feel like no matter what Canelo does, he'll always be downplayed by hard-core fans. GGG to some is the PFP # 1 fighter but let's say Canelo actually fights him and defeats him, which is not impossible. I feel that Canelo will still be underappreciated.

Beating Trout, Lara and Cotto really didn't much for him I guess.

My personal thing against Canelo is that his footwork kind of got exposed against Floyd and Lara but then whose footwork doesn't get exposed against these guys. Cotto's got pretty good footwork and Canelo didn't really have any issues with Cotto circling him all rounds.

He was outlanded by both Trout and Lara. He won those fights because he was the house fighter.

[Scipio2009]

I like Canelo but I'd probably still have him behind Gonzales and Ward.
Interesting thought, if he does beat Golovkin, where does he go from there?? 160 is a joke and he's too short for 168. He'd have to wait on guys like Andrade to come up to 160 to have any decent competition.

If Alvarez beats Golovkin (to unify the division, assuming that he picks off Saunders first), Alvarez will fall into a pattern similar to what Roy Jones Jr faced when he unified the belts at 175lbs; knock off whatever challenger that gets put in front of him, until a bigger/more meaningful fight comes up.

Heiland (WBC), Tureano Johnson(IBF), Alphonso Blanco(WBA), and the next WBO challenger (whomever that may be) all have similar/better profiles than Liam Smith did, and Alvarez was able to do $5m at the gate in Texas and $20m on US PPV (not to mention the money that Alvarez picked up on his Mexico TV, with other revenues).

Unlike Golovkin (regardless of how hard folks want to will it into being), Saul Alvarez has a sizable paying audience that's more than willing to turn out to simply see him fight.

Alvarez cycles through the mandatory defenses, clearing $15m-$20m every time he fights, and you hope beyond hope that he's worked to pick up enough conversational English to have a chance to crossover to the mainstream American audience while he waits for the next blockbuster fight.

[Redd Foxx]

come on bro, he beat Cotto when Cotto was coming off knocking out Geale and Martinez, and he beat Lara in a close fight and those two wins alone are better than anything Gonzalez has done

I won't say you're necessarily wrong. I do think Gonzales is a bit overrated P4P wise, but Cotto beating a crippled Martinez and Geale doesn't do anything for me. Cotto was schooled by Trout not too long ago.

Lara is a great win though. He didn't have to take that fight but he did it to earn respect and he got mine (before that fight I thought Canelo was way overhyped).

So, I won't fight you on the Gonzales thing. I can't take everything Canelo has done + a GGG win and put it above everything Ward has done though. GGG just hasn't done enough to put Canelo at that level.

[Sadiqkingofko]

I won't say you're necessarily wrong. I do think Gonzales is a bit overrated P4P wise, but Cotto beating a crippled Martinez and Geale doesn't do anything for me. Cotto was schooled by Trout not too long ago.

Lara is a great win though. He didn't have to take that fight but he did it to earn respect and he got mine (before that fight I thought Canelo was way overhyped).

So, I won't fight you on the Gonzales thing. I can't take everything Canelo has done + a GGG win and put it above everything Ward has done though. GGG just hasn't done enough to put Canelo at that level.

for now Ward is #1 on my rankings, but if Canelo beats Golovkin and beats someone like Ramirez at 168 then he's #1

[Redd Foxx]

If Alvarez beats Golovkin (to unify the division, assuming that he picks off Saunders first), Alvarez will fall into a pattern similar to what Roy Jones Jr faced when he unified the belts at 175lbs; knock off whatever challenger that gets put in front of him, until a bigger/more meaningful fight comes up.

Heiland (WBC), Tureano Johnson(IBF), Alphonso Blanco(WBA), and the next WBO challenger (whomever that may be) all have similar/better profiles than Liam Smith did, and Alvarez was able to do $5m at the gate in Texas and $20m on US PPV (not to mention the money that Alvarez picked up on his Mexico TV, with other revenues).

Unlike Golovkin (regardless of how hard folks want to will it into being), Saul Alvarez has a sizable paying audience that's more than willing to turn out to simply see him fight.

Alvarez cycles through the mandatory defenses, clearing $15m-$20m every time he fights, and you hope beyond hope that he's worked to pick up enough conversational English to have a chance to crossover to the mainstream American audience while he waits for the next blockbuster fight.

In that regard, absolutely. I was thinking more along the lines of P4P and legacy. Canelo can fight whoever at 160 and draw more than GGG, no doubt. Financially, he's set as long as he keeps winning.
Competition-wise, I don't think there's any MW at his level besides GGG. Jacobs would be a good fight but he's still not the fighter Canelo is, IMO. I've been saying that the young guns coming up at 154 are going to be a bigger challenge for Canelo than anyone outside of GGG at 160.

[Mr. Objectivity]

If he dominates /KOs/TKO GGG at 160. He is p4p#1 together with lomachenko/Kovalev. definitely higher than ward doe.