Comments Thread For: Billy Joe Saunders: I'll Do My Two Mandatories, Then a Big Fight

[GGG Gloveking]

So you don't want GGG or Canelo until 2019?

I was about to say the exact same thing. It takes Saunders almost a full year to make his first defense. At this rate, he can hold the belt hostage for quite some time. Billy looked like absolute trash, certainly not like a world champ

[Boxing Logic]

Ok...so BJS is a bum who is afraid of Trip. That's very obvious. So why hasn't K2 orchestrated a couple of cherries from the WBO list to get Trip mandatory status. Easily done given that Kurtzside has called out Trip. This is why GBP is playing chess and K2 is playing checkers. Canelo can fight Saunders tomorrow if they so chose and Saunders could either fight or vacate.

I guess it's more fun to talk conspiracy and fear of Trip....smh

You just admitted there is fear of GGG out there so it's not a conspiracy. Also I'm 99% sure what you're talking about is not even possible. I think the Rubio situation with GGG and the interim belt was an exception to the rule. I don't think GGG as a champion of three organizations can become the WBO mandatory. Does Khurtside have an interim belt or just a top ranking?

Anyway I think GGG is chasing bigger fish. Yes they want the last belt but they also want big fights, plus they have current mandatories to take care of. Jacobs is a better fight than Khurtside in theory and he's GGG's mandatory. Two birds, one stone.

And then what if they let Canelo take Saunders belt in May, so that the PPV fight in September can be for ALL FOUR belts and make even more money? Wouldn't that qualify as a "chess" move for all involved?

I mean I'm like you, I just want GGG to get all the belts already so he can move up to 168 and fight Ramirez or whatever. But so long as he does that anyway, he doesn't need all the belts first. He could fight Ramirez in May, while Canelo takes BJS belt, then fight Canelo for it in September. If GGG goes Jacobs in March, Ramirez in May, and Canelo in September isn't that A+ "chess" playing? Isn't that the best year of opponents any fighter has had practically all decade?

But see they've been trying to do that the whole time. It's only maybe going to happen now because GGG will be 35. His star power is rising, and his ability is declining, so the risk/reward ratio is better for afraid opponents. Now they will fight him and people will say GGG is finally playing chess... No! It's bull****. He's been doing this the whole time. Signed to fight Pirog. Tried to fight Froch. Canelo, Chavez Jr, he tried to fight all these guys already. They just wouldn't fight him. They saw him as too big a risk. So yes, it was fear. They didn't think they could win. Now they think there's at least a chance, after seeing GGG look slow vs Brook taking so many shots.

[Boxing Logic]

The plan is set from what I've hear and read from insiders.

2017 Schedule
Canelo vs Lemiuex - February 2017
Canelo vs BJS - May 2017

GGG vs Jacobs - March 2017
GGG vs (TBA - Not BJS ) - June 2017

Canelo vs GGG Sep 2017

What insiders? But yes aside from Lemieux, this was always my su****ion. GBP must really believe the hype with Canelo if they're going to put him in with Lemieux. But hey he better be able to fight a guy like Lemieux first if he wants a chance to beat Golovkin.

Otherwise, yeah I figured getting Canelo BJS's belt would make sense. Then they can market Golovkin-Canelo in September as champion vs champion, and for the first unified middleweight champ since whoever did it last.

But the GGG TBA in May. Do you think that could be the jump to 168 and then he would come back down for Canelo? So Ramirez in May at 168 then Canelo at 160 in September? Or are they going to keep GGG at 160 the whole year so he doesn't have to bounce his body up and down going into the big Canelo fight?

Because ideally, weight aside, the three best opponents would be Jacobs, Ramirez (or Froch), and Canelo. Not that Jacobs, Eubank, then Canelo would be too bad either. But for legacy I think GGG needs to get a big, elite opponent like Ramirez in the ring while GGG is still at the edge of his prime. Otherwise if he's 36 years old before he moves up to 168 and he's not impressive, we will always wonder if he wasn't good/big enough, or if he'd just gotten old before he ever moved up. I want to see GGG fight these top guys before he's 36. 35 is already very late.

[Madison Boxing]

In Fact I think BJS will try the most to make that fight against Canelo next because if he looses against his no. 1 mando Khurtsidze his top payday is gone.

Rumors are saying that GBP is only expecting Canelo to receive the ok from the Doctor next week so they can finalize a february fight against Lemieux, I think they'll try to make BJS sign the contract to fight on May, if BJS accepts the WBO will approve that fight instantly.

BJS won't have a tune up against Canelo so he'll lose that title but will gain a lot of money from that fight.

The plan is set from what I've hear and read from insiders.

2017 Schedule
Canelo vs Lemiuex - February 2017
Canelo vs BJS - May 2017

GGG vs Jacobs - March 2017
GGG vs (TBA - Not BJS ) - June 2017

Canelo vs GGG Sep 2017

where did you hear all that from? what insiders?

[Boxing Logic]

I have a solution. The boxing world's eyes will be firmly planted on the light heavyweight division entering 2017. The Ward-Kovalev rematch winner will clearly be THE MAN and THE FIGHT for GGG. But, that fight won't be possible until late next year. GGG says he wants to fight 4× next year. How able stepping up to light heavy and taking a tune-up in the first quarter of 2017. See if something can be worked out with Haymon and try and fight Adonis Stevenson for his trinket in the summer. And hopefully, Ward-Kovalev is resolved. That way the winner can fight GGG late next year for not only the undisputed light heavyweight title. But also the undisputed P4P top spot.

Well that would certainly be a lot of fun for fans lol. But you are basically suggesting GGG do the opposite of what you have advocated other fighters do. You are saying GGG should give up a 20 million dollar payday (or whatever it is) to fight someone his size, and instead take a 3 million dollar payday to fight someone who walks around 40-50 pounds heavier than him in Adonis Stevenson. That just seems like fantasy thinking.

As a fan of GGG, this is what I want, in reality:

Jacobs in March. Ramirez in May. Canelo in September.

Once the Canelo fight happens, and GGG gets his payday, then he will he freed up to hopefully go wild with superfights and hopefully push as far to stamp a crazy legacy as he can before he gets old. He will already be pushing 36 at that point, so it's probably already too late, but my hope at that point is maybe then we can see the Ward fight at 169, or even Kovalev, maybe Degale-Jack winner, obviously Ramirez if it still hasn't happened by then, Adonis sure although Adonis so ****ing huge but **** it why not, unlike many fanboys I actually want to see the best fighters push their limits, even ones I root for.

So yeah man, I want to see those fights. But I don't think GGG is going above 168 until after Canelo. GGG-Canelo is the biggest money fight in boxing, and a great style clash, so you can't really think GGG will give that up to go to light heavyweight right now.

[rrayvez]

Funny how UK and Mexico fighters and fan bases like to claim that they're the biggest forces in boxing today but their so called champions are scared to fight a guy from the same country as Borat.

[Ake-Dawg]

You just admitted there is fear of GGG out there so it's not a conspiracy. Also I'm 99% sure what you're talking about is not even possible. I think the Rubio situation with GGG and the interim belt was an exception to the rule. I don't think GGG as a champion of three organizations can become the WBO mandatory. Does Khurtside have an interim belt or just a top ranking?

Anyway I think GGG is chasing bigger fish. Yes they want the last belt but they also want big fights, plus they have current mandatories to take care of. Jacobs is a better fight than Khurtside in theory and he's GGG's mandatory. Two birds, one stone.

And then what if they let Canelo take Saunders belt in May, so that the PPV fight in September can be for ALL FOUR belts and make even more money? Wouldn't that qualify as a "chess" move for all involved?

I mean I'm like you, I just want GGG to get all the belts already so he can move up to 168 and fight Ramirez or whatever. But so long as he does that anyway, he doesn't need all the belts first. He could fight Ramirez in May, while Canelo takes BJS belt, then fight Canelo for it in September. If GGG goes Jacobs in March, Ramirez in May, and Canelo in September isn't that A+ "chess" playing? Isn't that the best year of opponents any fighter has had practically all decade?

But see they've been trying to do that the whole time. It's only maybe going to happen now because GGG will be 35. His star power is rising, and his ability is declining, so the risk/reward ratio is better for afraid opponents. Now they will fight him and people will say GGG is finally playing chess... No! It's bull****. He's been doing this the whole time. Signed to fight Pirog. Tried to fight Froch. Canelo, Chavez Jr, he tried to fight all these guys already. They just wouldn't fight him. They saw him as too big a risk. So yes, it was fear. They didn't think they could win. Now they think there's at least a chance, after seeing GGG look slow vs Brook taking so many shots.

Getting all the belts isn't a chess move. It means nothing in the boxing world to anyone not a hardcore Trip fan. The chess move is getting the WBO belt for negotiations. Also, we've been saying if Trip fights this guy and if he fights that guy for 18 months. Why would anyone have any confidence that any of these fights would happen? K2 has not been keen on taking risks with Trip before the Canelo fight. Chavez and a drained Froch aren't risks.

[hitking]

Well that would certainly be a lot of fun for fans lol. But you are basically suggesting GGG do the opposite of what you have advocated other fighters do. You are saying GGG should give up a 20 million dollar payday (or whatever it is) to fight someone his size, and instead take a 3 million dollar payday to fight someone who walks around 40-50 pounds heavier than him in Adonis Stevenson. That just seems like fantasy thinking.

As a fan of GGG, this is what I want, in reality:

Jacobs in March. Ramirez in May. Canelo in September.

Once the Canelo fight happens, and GGG gets his payday, then he will he freed up to hopefully go wild with superfights and hopefully push as far to stamp a crazy legacy as he can before he gets old. He will already be pushing 36 at that point, so it's probably already too late, but my hope at that point is maybe then we can see the Ward fight at 169, or even Kovalev, maybe Degale-Jack winner, obviously Ramirez if it still hasn't happened by then, Adonis sure although Adonis so ****ing huge but **** it why not, unlike many fanboys I actually want to see the best fighters push their limits, even ones I root for.

So yeah man, I want to see those fights. But I don't think GGG is going above 168 until after Canelo. GGG-Canelo is the biggest money fight in boxing, and a great style clash, so you can't really think GGG will give that up to go to light heavyweight right now.

Its fine to WANT GGG to get the targets you prefer. Problen is, its been the same song n dance with these middleweighta for too long now. I have no faith that Jacobs is gonna fight him for less money than he made with Quillen. I have ZERO faith that the Canelo fight is ever gonna happen. And I have serious doubts that Arum is willing to risk a novelty in Ramirez. So at some point in time, GGG is gonna have to nove on, and fight good fighters that will actually get in the ring with him. Critics of his, like myself, fully acknowledge that the top guys in his division don't wanna fight him. But since he's not a heavyweight, he has other options. And its time for him to explore them.

[b00g13man]

This dude is a waste of time. He needs to disappear.

[Dip_Slide]

This is one of the most pitiful championship runs that I've ever seen in boxing, I said the same thing about Wilder but Saunders took that **** to the next level.