Comments Thread For: Billy Joe Saunders: I'll Do My Two Mandatories, Then a Big Fight

[robertzimmerman]

Frank Warren's business strategy has not changed over the years and simply involves having one of his fighters keeping a WBO belt hostage

He is marketed as a world champion and makes defences against a succession of nobodies in ****ty little venues around the UK.

It's nickel and dime stuff but a tried and tested formula

BJS is simply the latest in the Warren production line

Frank has done that in the past. But due to circumstances, Billy has only made 1 defence of his title. And I think people should appreciate his honest assessment of his performance on Saturday. I genuinely believe that he wants to fight Canelo and BJS, but not off of the back of Akavov.

[robertzimmerman]

It should be obvious to anyone that the reason Saunders ended up with the fake injury seven months ago is because he was undisciplined, overweight and out-of-shape. Now, he is saying he is going to fight two mandatories before looking for a major fight because he needs more time to get into fighting shape. This clown has talked a lot of s...t over the last year about Golovkin, knowing all along that he has no intention of fighting Golovkin this year and probably not next year.

I think the pull out against Max Bursak was legit, but I think it's now obvious that he didn't fight on Canelo's undercard because he couldn't make weight. There was no logic to the explanation that he gave at the time.

[Raonic]

Where've you got that from?

BJS said it.

[robertzimmerman]

BJS said it.

What, 2019??

[Ake-Dawg]

Chavez and Froch would have been risks.

How? Chavez has been crap against legit competition and has struggled with weight. Froch would be drained at 168. He asked for 172 which is why the fight hasn't been made.

[robertzimmerman]

How? Chavez has been crap against legit competition and has struggled with weight. Froch would be drained at 168. He asked for 172 which is why the fight hasn't been made.

Chavez is good, he's just a lazy a$$.

Carl says he'd be drained at 168, yet his long-time trainer, Robert McCracken, doesn't think so. If Carl had really wanted that fight, it would probably have happened.

[FinitoxDinamita]

Unbelievable. 10 years ago, an ordinary fighter like Saunders would have never been talked about on a thread for 10 pages.

This is how sad the sport turned into.

[HeroBando]

How? Chavez has been crap against legit competition and has struggled with weight. Froch would be drained at 168. He asked for 172 which is why the fight hasn't been made.

That's not why Froch hasn't been made. It cause he retired after Chavez got smashed, and after Ggg had been pursuing him for like a year. He was still 168, that was no issue. Froch was very upfront about the issue at the time: "swerve him like the plague, punches like a mule, dangerous fight"

[Boxing Logic]

Its fine to WANT GGG to get the targets you prefer. Problen is, its been the same song n dance with these middleweighta for too long now. I have no faith that Jacobs is gonna fight him for less money than he made with Quillen. I have ZERO faith that the Canelo fight is ever gonna happen. And I have serious doubts that Arum is willing to risk a novelty in Ramirez. So at some point in time, GGG is gonna have to nove on, and fight good fighters that will actually get in the ring with him. Critics of his, like myself, fully acknowledge that the top guys in his division don't wanna fight him. But since he's not a heavyweight, he has other options. And its time for him to explore them.

This would be reasonable except you use false hypothesis to maintain your hatred of GGG. Your whole argument is based on a lie that Jacobs is getting offered less to fight GGG than he made vs Quillin. That is total bull****. I don't know if you know it's bull**** but you say it anyway so you have an excuse to claim Jacobs isn't really ducking, or if you just believed something you read, but it's bull****.

These are the facts. Jacobs is being offered a career high payday to fight GGG. Not just a career high payday, but he is being offered more than he is worth financially, given that he couldn't even sellout half of his hometown venue, Barclays, against another hometown star, Quillin.

Those are facts. Jacobs is being offered fair money, and a career high payday. MEANING, if Jacobs does not fight GGG, it is a blatant duck, and you need to put the pressure on JACOBS to not duck guys in his division, rather than continue to criticize GGG for being ducked.

Another fact? The top guy at 168, Ramirez, has said, or his promoter said, that he's not ready to fight GGG until next year. So once again, you should be asking why even the best guy at 168 is still not ready to fight a middleweight. What is it about GGG that even guys a division above him need tuneups before fighting him? Even Ward wanted tuneups to fight ggg EVEN THOUGH GGG WAS THE ONE MOVING UP TO HIS WEIGHT CLASS!

Like if Ward was moving down to 160 to fight GGG, tuneups to get used to the weight would at least make some sense. Or Ward moving up to 175, he got his tuneups. But what is it about GGG that even though GGG was moving to Ward's weight class, it was Ward demanding tuneups first, not GGG?

Like why don't you ever ask that question lol? I just don't get it. What is it about GGG that the other top name at 168, Carl Froch, said to swerve GGG like the plague? That's a dude who walks around 30-40 pounds heavier than GGG, who has a big reach advantage, but he's saying to swerve GGG like the plague?

Like honestly do you not see these things? What is going to take for you to give this man credit? Let's just look at the facts:

• #1 at 168 all those years, Andre Ward, wouldn't fight GGG, the smaller man, without two tuneups first.
• #1 at 168 NOW, Gilberto Ramirez, his promoter says Ramirez won't be ready for GGG until next year.
• #2 at 168 during Ward's reign, Carl Froch, said to swerve GGG like the plague
• #2 and #3 at 168, Jack and Degale, never called out GGG all this time until they saw him look vulnerable against Brook.

So why can't you just be fair man? I want to see GGG go up to 168 too, but you assume those top names want to take the risk any more than the top guys at 160. Why do you assume that? Just look at the track record. All of them had reservations about fighting GGG the last few years, too. Maybe in 2017 when GGG is 35 years old, which is ALWAYS past prime for offensive fighters, these guys will step up. It sounds like it. But you can't just ignore how even the guys at 168 have not wanted to fight GGG until now. Now the risk is less with GGG getting old, and the money is better with GGG being more well known, so you will see it. But before, even the top guys at 168 didn't want to fight him. So why do you hold that against GGG?

[Boxing Logic]

Getting all the belts isn't a chess move. It means nothing in the boxing world to anyone not a hardcore Trip fan. The chess move is getting the WBO belt for negotiations. Also, we've been saying if Trip fights this guy and if he fights that guy for 18 months. Why would anyone have any confidence that any of these fights would happen? K2 has not been keen on taking risks with Trip before the Canelo fight. Chavez and a drained Froch aren't risks.

What "risks" are your favorite fighters taking? GGG signed to fight high risk, low reward Dmitry Pirog years ago. He was willing to fight that British dude for free just to get a title shot. He is taking more risks than anyone but you don't know what you're talking about. Froch and Chavez weren't going to be "drained" seeing as GGG was moving up to their damn weight classes. You have no idea what you're talking about.

I mean you're just dumb. Why waste my time? GGG needs the WBO belt to negotiate with Canelo? Wtf? He already has 3 belts so why would he need a 4th for negotiations? It's a chess move because they want the PPV pie to be bigger. The way to do that is not to have GGG have 4 belts against none. He would ALREADY be unified champ and the suspense is gone. But if Canelo has the WBO belt, then people will pay to see whoever wins become unified champ.

Is it a huge deal? No but I'm just saying GGG can get that 4th belt either from Saunders, or Canelo. It doesn't matter as long as the Canelo fight happens.

And what are you even saying? GGG needs to chase the WBO belt from Saunders? Well Saunders just said he's not ready for GGG so there you go. GGG is so damn good yet ANOTHER guy in his division is ducking him. How many is that now? He has to be one of the most ducked fighters of all time. That's how good his peers think he is. Actions speak louder than words. Whatever the haters say, the fact that all these champions keep ducking GGG shows what they really think of him: he is great.

And anyway, GGG-Jacobs is a way better fight than Saunders. I'm a GGG fan and I would like to see him finish the belts business at 160, but what I value most is great fights, and GGG-Jacobs is the better fight. Why would you criticize GGG for taking the best fight especially when he doesn't have a choice since Saunders already said he wouldn't fight GGG yet? Since Saunders won't fight him, since Ramirez still ain't ready at 168, Jacobs is his only option. But you'll still hate on him because you're a GGG hater. It's okay for Jacobs and all these guys to duck GGG, but instead of criticizing them, you criticize GGG. It's insane. What is your bias exactly because you clearly got one.