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  • angkag
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    #41
    If you have any doubts that GGG is going to get ****ed by home judging, go back and watch the first round of the Brook fight (sound off helps).

    Brook took some hellacious shots in that round, and was staggered at one point. He fought back like a good 'un, landing a few shots of his own. GGG missed quite a few too, and a lot of Brook's work was caught on the gloves and elbows by GGG.

    Any fair objective scoring, GGG wins that round. You stagger the other guy, don't get hurt by anything in exchange, thats usually enough in itself, quite apart from a couple of the body shots GGG landed in that round. You might be able to call it even if you ignore the stagger and the body shots, but thats the only way. Brook showed guts to come back from getting hurt and make a fight of it for the rest of the round, and THAT was deemed enough to get him the round on two of the judges scorecards.

    Here's how one paper summed up the first round (and this is from The Sun ! One of the most union jack waving papers out there).

    '...Rousell and Italian Guido Cavalieri both scored Brook winning the opening round even though at one point he looked in danger of being knocked out during one GGG assault....'

    Boxing News 24

    '....Frankly, I’m baffled how a judge could see the same Golovkin-Brook fight that I did and have Brook up by a three to one score. That judge had Brook winning the 1st round despite the fact that he was staggered and badly hurt by Golovkin. That judge wasn’t the only one that gave round one to Brook....'

    One report said this.

    '...Brook looked shaken halfway through the first round, wobbling on a crunching left hook to the head from Golovkin with his back up against the ropes. For a brief moment, it appeared the 30-year-old Brook wouldn't be able to withstand the mythic power of Golovkin for very long. But unlike so many fighters before him, Brook didn't crumble, didn't retreat. He steadied himself and rocked Golovkin with a couple of hard right-handed shots late in the round, further riling up an already frenzied crowd....'

    This is the sort of way you need to see the round to give it to Brook. Sound unbiased ? Firstly 'mythic power'. definition of mythic is 'lacking foundation in fact, imaginary, fictitious'. ok. Secondly look closely for where GGG was 'rocked' in the first round. Shots landing does not = 'rocked'. remember, Brook 'didn't crumble, didn't retreat...'.

    Just imagine how little Jacobs would need to do to win a round against Golovkin in the US.

    Gets even worse if you take punch-stats into consideration in round 1. Golovkin 30/60 (50%), Brook 19/52 (36.5%).

    So
    - Golovkin more active
    - lands more shots
    - more accurate
    - staggers opponent
    - more powerful shots (anyone care to argue against that !?)
    - loses round

    And now they look at taking on an American hero (cancer survivor) on US soil. Wouldn't YOU be concerned ??
    Last edited by angkag; 11-30-2016, 10:56 AM.

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    • angkag
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      #42
      Originally posted by Bronx2245
      I blame the WBC for allowing a MW title to be on the line of a fight taking place @ 155! I blame Canelo and GBP for the nonsense during the post-fight with Khan! However, none of that erases his resume! This man has done more at 25 than most active fighters have done in their entire career!
      I forgot about Khan being after Cotto (possibly because it was so, err, forgettable lol). Makes it worse ! Canelo could have had his two tune-ups at 160 instead of Khan/Smith and have been ready for GGG on 5 May.

      Still inclined to give Canelo a pass and lay the blame 100% at the feet of Golden Boy - just gut feel.

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      • SteveM
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        #43
        Originally posted by Bronx2245
        Canelo has already fought Trout, Mayweather, Angulo, Kirkland, Lara, and Cotto, and he's only 25! He might be carefully managed but his resume is WAY better than GGG!
        Thats true. But why is that? He gets to fight those fighters because a/ he brings all the money with the Mexican fan base.
        b/ he has the good luck to be where there are more good fights - around the 154 mark.

        Not sure that Kirkland or angulo are any great names. The other 4 are obviously very good although he lost one and many think he lost with Lara - I had it a draw or him edging on the scorecards but Lara could and should have won it - he beat himself if he lost.

        That he is only 25 is misleading. I believe he's been a pro for longer than Golovkin - they just start earlier in Mexico. And are normally done earlier too.

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          #44
          Originally posted by Shadoww702
          I bet you your wrong. It's most likely going to be Saunders or Lemuix next. He needs Saunders belt if he's going to fight GGG.
          Why does he need Saunder's belt? I'm pretty sure he can fight without that and he has leverage already in Golovkin negotiations. One thing for sure he is more likely to fight Saunders than a KO artist like Lemieux or Jacobs. Bought judges scorecards go out the window if you're flat on your back.

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          • Bronx2245
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            #45
            Originally posted by SteveM
            Thats true. But why is that? He gets to fight those fighters because a/ he brings all the money with the Mexican fan base.
            b/ he has the good luck to be where there are more good fights - around the 154 mark.

            Not sure that Kirkland or angulo are any great names. The other 4 are obviously very good although he lost one and many think he lost with Lara - I had it a draw or him edging on the scorecards but Lara could and should have won it - he beat himself if he lost.

            That he is only 25 is misleading. I believe he's been a pro for longer than Golovkin - they just start earlier in Mexico. And are normally done earlier too.
            It's true that he's been a pro longer than GGG, but that's not his fault that GGG waited long to go pro. Just look up Mayweather, Pacquiao, and Cotto, and see what their resumes looked like at age 25, then compare them to Canelo! Kirkland and Angulo at 154 are better than Brook, Wade, and Willie Monroe @ 160! I'm just sayin'!

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            • angkag
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              #46
              Originally posted by SteveM
              Why does he need Saunder's belt?
              He doesn't, but the belt would give Canelo even more negotiating power as he's got the one shiny trinket GGG really, really wants.

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              • Hatesrats
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                #47
                When they are inside the ring I'll belive Team GEE, Until then all it is is tounge flapping.

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                • angkag
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by Hatesrats
                  When they are inside the ring I'll belive Team GEE, Until then all it is is tounge flapping.
                  Team GGG does not want this fight, neither does Jacobs. They are positioning for when Jacobs walks.

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                  • sicko
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                    #49
                    As long as they're still negotiating and neither side is discussing fighting anybody else that is great news. So no news from either side if GREAT NEWS! Hopefully it is announced any day now for March or whatever

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                    • Shadoww702
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by angkag
                      He doesn't, but the belt would give Canelo even more negotiating power as he's got the one shiny trinket GGG really, really wants.
                      EXACTLY!!! And Champion vs. Champion just sounds better. That's one hell of a prize. Has any fights ever been for ALL 4 major belts???

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