If Garcia beats Thurman will he take his rightful place among top 10 p4p in the sport

[therealpugilist]

Does Danny have a S&C coach?

not sure but nowadays most top fighters do, especially those moving up.

he might want to get Mackie Shilstone....he worked with ward for kov, and jones for ruiz

[mlac]

......thurman beat him 7-5 in a close fight

herrera outjabbed garcia, but garcia landed the harder more telling shots...another hard to score fight

thats what happens when you fight top opposition...close fights.....your boy GGG on the other hand likes his beef tender(most his ko victims were already ko'ed before).....unknown, unranked or undersized

whats you top 5 p4p

i had porter winning by 1-2, it was a close fight tho agreed, porter outworked and put thurman on the backfoot for the most part.
However the herrera v garcia fight was NOT a close fight to score...

If Garcia beats thurman he would have 3 good win's, mattysese, khan and thurman. if p4p was based on resume he would be around 15-20. p4p is not though so it doesn't matter.

[Mike D]

B Suth could drink a 30 case of Natty Ice and woop Garcia in his drunken stooper

yeah it's not really a fair fight, it would definitely have to be done at a CW and a 6 beer fight day limit would need to be imposed on Sutherland

[bojangles1987]

He'd definitely have an argument. Most had him there after the Matthysse win, but it's hard to keep him p4p top 10 for his wins since. A Thurman win would be a good reminder of his capabilities that can land him back on the list.

[therealpugilist]

i had porter winning by 1-2, it was a close fight tho agreed, porter outworked and put thurman on the backfoot for the most part.
However the herrera v garcia fight was NOT a close fight to score...

If Garcia beats thurman he would have 3 good win's, mattysese, khan and thurman. if p4p was based on resume he would be around 15-20. p4p is not though so it doesn't matter.

so if a guy looks like the next Leonard but has no wins over elite competition, he should be considered p4p because of the way he dominates? no

you are only as good as your opposition and the only way to know how good a fighter is, is based off how they deal with a variety of styles and success at the top level

the only people i ever see minimize the importance of resume and level of opposition are fans who are big on fighters with thin resumes...yes it matters

when Mayweather was considered p4p 1-3 he had one if not the best resume in boxing

In Jones' era pre-2003 he was considered p4p, had one of the best resumes and completely embarassed world class guys and world champion.....he had wins over 17 world champs at the time yet "jones aint fight nobody doe".....Pernell whitaker was considered the best of his era....had the best resume too.....the list goes on and on.....who they fight matters


everyone has a style preference but to dismiss level of competition is foolish

[mlac]

so if a guy looks like the next Leonard but has no wins over elite competition, he should be considered p4p because of the way he dominates? no

you are only as good as your opposition and the only way to know how good a fighter is, is based off how they deal with a variety of styles and success at the top level

the only people i ever see minimize the importance of resume and level of opposition are fans who are big on fighters with thin resumes...yes it matters

when Mayweather was considered p4p 1-3 he had one if not the best resume in boxing

In Jones' era pre-2003 he was considered p4p, had one of the best resumes and completely embarassed world class guys and world champion.....he had wins over 17 world champs at the time yet "jones aint fight nobody doe".....Pernell whitaker was considered the best of his era....had the best resume too.....the list goes on and on.....who they fight matters


everyone has a style preference but to dismiss level of competition is foolish

p4p is subjective, level of competition is a part of it sure, If you wanna talk about that then Garcia has dominated a low level of competition, the only elite guy you could say he dominated was khan, who was outboxing him and had also been iced at lower weight classes.

losing to herrera a c- fighter at his best, and struggling with c level fighters like peterson and so forth, only proves he has no argument to be top 10 p4p.
Even his best win mattysese he went life and death with and neither man was ever the same after.

If he dominates thurman (who already lost to porter IMO) then perhaps you could start to have the discussion
...now? nah.

[DreamerUSA]

Danny Garcia has the best resume of any fighter under the age of 30

he is not pretty, doesnt score a lot of knockouts, but gets the job done

I have a ton of respect for him. Yes he has won some close fights, like herrera and Peterson but he also has dealt with a variety of styles which will reflect not having shut out performances

Danny hasnt been protected in his career so calling the guy a cherrypicker is a huge disservice to him. he has been in their with more world champions than more lauded fighters like Terrance crawford, Loma, GGG, KOv and Ward.

Thurman is undefeated and holds a major title....once again dANNY will be the underdog....if he beats thurman, he pushes someone out of the pound for pound and takes his rightful place

In theory sure, but it does'nt matter. Thurman is going to beat the brakes off Danny. Picture the Peterson fight, but Thurman won't give away the first half of the fight.

[therealpugilist]

In theory sure, but it does'nt matter. Thurman is going to beat the brakes off Danny. Picture the Peterson fight, but Thurman won't give away the first half of the fight.

i think the move up helped Garcia

he looks a lot fresher late in fights


Thuman hasnt knocked out any top ten welterweights.....he couldnt even get Guerrero out of there who he hit with everything.

Thurman is a good fighter....kinda soft to the body.....no inside game either


its a 50/50 fight to me

danny always gets underestimated

people act like Peterson is a slouch as well...he is one of the better fighters from 140-147 the last 6 years.

Peterson didnt do enough to win

[therealpugilist]

p4p is subjective, level of competition is a part of it sure, If you wanna talk about that then Garcia has dominated a low level of competition, the only elite guy you could say he dominated was khan, who was outboxing him and had also been iced at lower weight classes.

losing to herrera a c- fighter at his best, and struggling with c level fighters like peterson and so forth, only proves he has no argument to be top 10 p4p.
Even his best win mattysese he went life and death with and neither man was ever the same after.

If he dominates thurman (who already lost to porter IMO) then perhaps you could start to have the discussion
...now? nah.

im sure you rate GGG over Garcia p4p ....who has he beat bro? Murray who never beat a world class middleweight? Brook, a guy with one win over a top ten contender.....13 pounds below


Herrera was a legit top 10....140 pounder....he is no slouch, definitely wasnt a few years ago.

styles make fights....Matthyssee had the same hype as GGG and garcia beat him

Garcia finds a way to win....thats what champions and p4p guys do.....all the cards wont be in your favor every fight...its about how you deal with adversity

[mlac]

im sure you rate GGG over Garcia p4p ....who has he beat bro? Murray who never beat a world class middleweight? Brook, a guy with one win over a top ten contender.....13 pounds below


Herrera was a legit top 10....140 pounder....he is no slouch, definitely wasnt a few years ago.

styles make fights....Matthyssee had the same hype as GGG and garcia beat him

Garcia finds a way to win....thats what champions and p4p guys do.....all the cards wont be in your favor every fight...its about how you deal with adversity

and you start blabbering about ggg, you are actually gay for him arnt u? you struggle to post without mentioning him.

and for that reason you're going back on the ignore list where you belong.