Comments Thread For: Vasyl Lomachenko Dominates, Stops Nicholas Walters in Seven

[BillyBoxing]

Correct - anyone denying that there was an element of hometown scoring for Ward (that gave him the decision) is in denial. Even if you genuinely believe Ward won, fact remains most people don't (most means more than 50%).

Look up any poll, then also consider that most of these polls include a lot of people who will also have bias for Ward, then consider that most polls believe Kovalev won.

Then if you still don't believe in hometown bias, go find a Russian poll, where I assure you it will be close to 100% believing Kovalev won.

Then if you are don't believe there is hometown bias, consider the consistency in judge bias that ended up with De La Hoya saying there should be a commission to deal with it (after the Malignaggi/Diaz fight).

Then if you still insist on being in denial, look up any number of other fights where hometown bias is clearly evident:
- John/Juarez
- John/Marquez (really good close fight, no argument in it going either way, but look at the cards....bias for John this time)
- Ottke/Reid (a German one for you)
- de la hoya/Sturm (3 american judges again)
- sturm/lots (Sturm won some dodgy ones in Germany too)

Could go on and on. And anyone saying it wasn't a factor in the Ward 'victory', well, I guess Si Hun Park really did beat Roy Jones in Seoul after all.

Exactly, green K

[MC Hammer]

Most people, including the press had a decision for Kovalev, either way in the record books Ward is the winner. Keep in mind each person rates P4P differently. This year Lomachenko's record is more impressive then Ward's, Ward beat (on record) Kovalev but it was a close fight that could have gone either way, other than that he didn't beat anyone of note in years, we can't go back to the super 6 era to give him that p4p status, otherwise Pacqiou is still p4p best because his resume is x2 of any active fighter right now.

Also P4P to me means that if 2 people were the same weight who has the better skills and would win, i think Lomachenko is more of a boxer and technically sound then Ward. Ward obviously is top talent, but Lomachenko is something else and he has shown it vs. top competition. Walters was an excellent fighter even though he quit his skills can't be denied.

This year he beat Roman Martinez and Walters off of a year break. Kovalev alone should outweigh that, but Sullivan Barrera as well at his first fight fully in the weight class as well and dominating Brand for a tune-up out does Lomo's 2 wins.

And going by your definition its kind of difficult to say because we saw Ward in true adversity and he stayed the course and beat the man. Lomo hasn't been there. Also he hasn't been with anyone as technically sound as Ward. Also the only guy to really stay in face the way Ward would got the win, and Lomo wasn't prepared for that kind of adversity. Lomo at the same size as Ward wouldn't have the height weight and reach advantage Kovalev did, so there is reason to expect a close fantasy fight based on those attributes.

Nonone knows the different ways that Lomo can win because he as always won with Plan A and didn't even switch up when he was behind with Salido.

[PunchyPotorff]

Certainly accurate, but it didn't look like he was hitting with full power. It was probably the first time in the fight that Loma really took the fight to him. In the previous rounds it seemed he was holding back to see if Walters really had the power to hurt him. Once he established Walters was not there to come forward he turned up the heat. Still nowhere near enough to just quit like that.

I mean surely it would have been better for his career to even take a knee or feign an injury than quit on his stool.

It's really hard to see a way back to the top without really going out there and proving himself all over again.

I think too many are taking this as some career wrecking thing when IMO it isn't. You weren't in there taking those shots, nor was I or anyone on this blog. I'll give the guy a free pass this time and expect more next time. This biz of so many going haywire over one performance these days... that just a load of clap trap IMO. It's ONE fight out of the guy's entire career.

[nacho daddy]

Lmao, you're just so ******, it's really beyond comical.

meth-for u at least I made you laugh

[sayf]

I think too many are taking this as some career wrecking thing when IMO it isn't. You weren't in there taking those shots, nor was I or anyone on this blog. I'll give the guy a free pass this time and expect more next time. This biz of so many going haywire over one performance these days... that just a load of clap trap IMO. It's ONE fight out of the guy's entire career.

The problem being that most people who actually follow boxing won't forget so quickly, so he's tarred himself with the quitter brush. I mean just look at Ortiz, that time he quit on the stool he's never been forgiven for that and the truth is that he seemed to be taking more of a beating.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying his career is finished, I'm simply saying he's forever going to live with that label. Every time he has a press conference, interview, face off, twitter war that is inevitably going to come up which is going to surely affect him mentally. It's gonna be difficult to talk big again without inviting some inslults.

[PunchyPotorff]

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Originally Posted by PunchyPotorff View Post
I think too many are taking this as some career wrecking thing when IMO it isn't. You weren't in there taking those shots, nor was I or anyone on this blog. I'll give the guy a free pass this time and expect more next time. This biz of so many going haywire over one performance these days... that just a load of clap trap IMO. It's ONE fight out of the guy's entire career.

The problem being that most people who actually follow boxing won't forget so quickly, so he's tarred himself with the quitter brush. I mean just look at Ortiz, that time he quit on the stool he's never been forgiven for that and the truth is that he seemed to be taking more of a beating.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying his career is finished, I'm simply saying he's forever going to live with that label. Every time he has a press conference, interview, face off, twitter war that is inevitably going to come up which is going to surely affect him mentally. It's gonna be difficult to talk big again without inviting some inslults.

He definitely wasn't thinking clearly, and his management should have forced a smarter fight or two before this one, so some of the criticism is justified. But yes, as I eluded, he's label a quitter now by a good portion of boxing fans.

[sayf]

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Originally Posted by PunchyPotorff View Post
I think too many are taking this as some career wrecking thing when IMO it isn't. You weren't in there taking those shots, nor was I or anyone on this blog. I'll give the guy a free pass this time and expect more next time. This biz of so many going haywire over one performance these days... that just a load of clap trap IMO. It's ONE fight out of the guy's entire career.



He definitely wasn't thinking clearly, and his management should have forced a smarter fight or two before this one, so some of the criticism is justified. But yes, as I eluded, he's label a quitter now by a good portion of boxing fans.

Yup I'm sure he'll regret it for the rest of his life, unless he manages to motivate himself and smash his way trough a few opponents, work through some tough fights and then maybe he could do a rematch and redeeem himself.

Only problem with that plan is Loma's age is not on his side, by the time Walters has restored some semblance of a reputation Loma will probably consider retirement after he wins titles at a few bigger weights

[PunchyPotorff]

Yup I'm sure he'll regret it for the rest of his life, unless he manages to motivate himself and smash his way trough a few opponents, work through some tough fights and then maybe he could do a rematch and redeeem himself.

Only problem with that plan is Loma's age is not on his side, by the time Walters has restored some semblance of a reputation Loma will probably consider retirement after he wins titles at a few bigger weights

Yep, like always, the clock is ticking. And as I've said a few times before... Time is the undisputed heavyweight champion of the universe. 7.5 billion wins, zero losses, 7.5 billion knockouts.

[Tony Trick-Pony]