You have to "take" a champion's title

[IronDanHamza]

Take it from champion is a term to show you really want the champs belt. Not trying to survive rounds. You've got to prove something to judges. He did well to survive 2nd round though. Give them a reason to give you decision. None of which ward did.
Take it to the champ is just a term that's used. Just like hometown decisions are. It's pat of boxing. Not saying it's fair or right.
But he got favourable hometown decision so why are you worried for?

I'm not worried as I was rooting for Kovalev to win.

It's not real. "Taking the belt from the champion" is nonsense. It means nothing.

[Bravado]

I believe whover did the best work should win the round...but a champion shouldn't lose his title over a few nothing rounds where neither guy did much and it could have gone to either guy. But like they say...it's boxing. Those type of scenarios can't be avoided with round by round scoring. If fights were scored as a whole...then nobody would think ward won.

LMAO Thats ******ed. Score the fight as a whole? You mean take into a count what happened throughout the entirety of the match?? They do that already, its called round by round scoring. So many people who legitimately won would lose because people don't have the attention span to remember what happened throughout the course of a match if it isn't about making sure you pay attention in intervals and write down what went down.

[Eff Pandas]

You're right, that's boxing, but I can understand Kovalev being salty

Well yea sure. I mean anytime you feel you won & some of the pundits (& Kov has most of them not just some) you are likely to feel salty about a L, & rightfully so in these sorta cases. Logical type **** like the fight was close enough for either guy to win don't mean **** to the guy who took an L right now, if ever, I'd suggest.

Pro boxing is only about damages.

This isn't true however much fans want it to be. There is a scoring criteria that includes multiple areas like ring generalship, defense, effective aggression & clean punching. Its not uncommon for fighter A to be hurt, to never hurt their opponent fighter B & still win the fight.

And in fact it should be noted that MMA has recently changed their scoring criteria to help reduce their bad decisions & they couldn't even get the word "damage" into their suggested criteria as the state commissions took issue with the implication of damage to fighters they will need to protect & I imagine the likely potential PR problems with such terminology. They had to agree on the term "impact" lol.

[NYC8224]

Too late, Ward won

[Eff Pandas]

LMAO Thats ******ed. Score the fight as a whole? You mean take into a count what happened throughout the entirety of the match??

Its not as ******ed as you think. Pride (a MMA league the UFC eventually purchased & was their main competitor at one point) had a whole fight scoring system that was HUGELY popular with fans & there is a healthy segment of former Pride fans who still propose that the UFC & MMA take up such a scoring system.

They also had a ten minute first round instead of the normal five minute round (to contend with the natural feeling out process that often occurs in 1st rounds) + had rules that punished a fighter, via purse deductions during the f#cking fight lol, if he wasn't playing to win. They had high intense fights due to these rules. Most MMA nerds feel like Pride was the better product, but the UFC just had more money & better marketing thus they won the war in the end.

[KLockard23]

What's wrong with suggesting they should score the fight as a whole? That's exactly how it should be done.

[KLockard23]

Why does the champ need such the benefit of the doubt? Is he not good enough to win the fight on his own, so he needs the judges to protect him if the challenger makes a round close?

Because that's really dumb and unfair. And again, only exists as a way to justify robberies. The whole reason the phrase "take the belt from the champ" exists is because a challenger would go into the champion's backyard, win, but not get the decision. So the idea that you have to "take" the belt by winning so clearly you can't possibly be robbed came about.

So why exactly are you in favor of such bull****?

I explained it in post #35...

[hugh grant]

I'm not worried as I was rooting for Kovalev to win.

It's not real. "Taking the belt from the champion" is nonsense. It means nothing.

I dont think anyone could ever have accused Ward of haven taken it to the championn. Im sure many feel he got home town decision though.

[BillyBoxing]

Well yea sure. I mean anytime you feel you won & some of the pundits (& Kov has most of them not just some) you are likely to feel salty about a L, & rightfully so in these sorta cases. Logical type **** like the fight was close enough for either guy to win don't mean **** to the guy who took an L right now, if ever, I'd suggest.



This isn't true however much fans want it to be. There is a scoring criteria that includes multiple areas like ring generalship, defense, effective aggression & clean punching. Its not uncommon for fighter A to be hurt, to never hurt their opponent fighter B & still win the fight.

And in fact it should be noted that MMA has recently changed their scoring criteria to help reduce their bad decisions & they couldn't even get the word "damage" into their suggested criteria as the state commissions took issue with the implication of damage to fighters they will need to protect & I imagine the likely potential PR problems with such terminology. They had to agree on the term "impact" lol.

It's true when it comes to the punch ouput.
I never denied defense and other points.

My point is Ward landed less in quantity and quality (he landed mostly jabs, and not solid ones), the only damages Dre did were to the body.

Damages does not count in amateur boxing.

They do in pro boxing, pot shotting ain't supposed to make you win fights in pro boxing unlike Olympic constests (that's why most boxing fans don't understand olympic decisions).

I rewatched the fight, and Kovalev won 1-5 and the 12th, to me, they aren't swing rounds. Kova got robbed.

Ward was beaten physically (never mentally) through the whole fight.

That Dre ring generalship is bullsht and bias, I thought Kovalev showed more ring generalship and more boxing skills (landing left, right, straight, hook, to the body, to the head) more variety than Ward who only threw his jab and bum rushed in order to slap Kova's rib cage.

[juggernaut666]

No they shouldn't, how is that fair?

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