Who won : kovalev or ward?

[Weltschmerz]

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[Weltschmerz]

rd1 K 10 W 9
rd2 K 10 W 8
rd3 K 10 W 9
rd4 K 10 W 9
rd5 K 10 W 9
rd6 K 10 W 9
rd7 K 9 W 10
rd8 K 9 W 10
rd9 K 9 W 10
rd10 K 10 W 9
rd11 K 9 W 10
rd12 K 10 W 9

Final score Kovalev 116 Ward 111

Kovalev dominated most of the fight, Ward did quite a bit of running and holding. In no way did Ward take the belts off the champ and in no way did he win on the cards.

Even if you somehow give Ward a couple more rounds, he still loses this fight.

[The Old LefHook]

Pun intended, this was an official robbery. Fight was not as close as many are making it out to be.

Because Ward won a moral victory and showed great courage does not mean the fûcking octopus won. He fights uglier than Hopkins ever dreamed of. He makes John Ruiz look look like a buzzsaw. He was shocked that he won but now in the postfight interviews he has got it all rationalized out that he won. Enough pats on the back will do that. He did not win the fight and he is not the real champion. He is the phony champion of judges who are either halfwitted or very smart to be making the extra money. JayZ apparently has quite a few handfuls to spread around.

[AJ24]

Fight was very close but Kovalev was the aggressor most of the fight. Kovalev threw more punches, landed the more effective punches. Ward did come strong in 2nd half of fight and Kovalev was getting tired,his output dropping, but Sergei still just edged it.

IMHO scorecards were correct but for the wrong fighter. Call it a robbery, corruption, local fighter getting the nod, bad judging, whatever. Sergei should have won.

[BennyST]

I had it 115-112 kov

1 kov
2 kov plus kd
3 kov
4 kov
5 Ward
6 kov
7 Ward
8 Ward
9 Ward
10 kov
11 Ward
12 kov

I scored round 3 and 12 for Ward, but otherwise had it the same, which means I also had Ward winning by one point 114-113. Exactly the same as the judges, but there were so many close rounds apart from the initial two obviously and 7-9 for Ward.

Because there were quite a lot of close rounds, anyone genuinely crying robbery is just being salty as hell. I certainly wouldn't have given it a second thought if Kovalev had won.

The one round I'm surprised by is the 3rd round. Ward landed a lot of very clean, head snapping shots compared to Kov in that round. I thought it was one of the clearer rounds of the whole fight, but I've seen alot of people giving that to Kov.

Just goes to shows how subjective a fight like this is, and why it wasn't a robbery. A very close that could have gone either way, with the eventual winner winning by one point is actually very good judging.

Just because a lot of peoples favourite guy didn't win doesn't automatically make the fight a robbery.

[GMAN SUPREME]

I had Kovalev winning but I have no problem with the decision because it was such a close fight to call, I think technically Kovalev showed he's the better fighter in almost all aspects of the game, fought a perfect fight early. Ward however was better conditioned and never stopped believing, mental championship qualities that very few have, Kovalev definitley tired late and that cost him the fight. John David Jackson prepared Kovalev perfectly for that fight.

There must be a rematch, this fight is a no contest to me untill someone wins clearly in the rematch or the rubber match, this can be one of the biggest rivalries the sport has ever seen. Hopefully Ward doesn't run away wih the decision and give us the rematch to prove that he was really the best, I have even more respect to Ward now even though I didn't think he won the fight but I'd lose all of that respect if he doesn't give Kovalev the rmatch that he truly deserves.

ward cant just run away from a rematch with kovalev.kovalev has a rematch clause in the contract he will use it right away.

[BennyST]

Pun intended, this was an official robbery. Fight was not as close as many are making it out to be.

Because Ward won a moral victory and showed great courage does not mean the fûcking octopus won. He fights uglier than Hopkins ever dreamed of. He makes John Ruiz look look like a buzzsaw. He was shocked that he won but now in the postfight interviews he has got it all rationalized out that he won. Enough pats on the back will do that. He did not win the fight and he is not the real champion. He is the phony champion of judges who are either halfwitted or very smart to be making the extra money. JayZ apparently has quite a few handfuls to spread around.

Jeez, someone sounds a bit mad.

Not that I'm going to argue with you about the score because your mind is certainly made up there, but what the **** are you talking about with the rest of it? Kov was the one that did all the holding and wrestling. All of it.

You'd have to be flat out blind to the point of utter delusion to have missed that. Kov absolutely didn't want to fight on the inside and grabbed Ward, wrestled, held and refused to engage inside at all. All of that mauling stuff you are crying about was because Kovalev didn't want to exchange inside and came about from him trying to stop Ward from punching inside by holding on tight and just wrestling him.

Did you miss Ward forever pulling his arms out and trying to punch on the inside, digging to the body and desperately trying to keep the action going. Kov, smartly mind you, refused to have a bar of it and simply held on and wrestled until the ref came in. You're deluded with bias if you think that came from Ward.

[Guest]

I wasn't scoring accurately, just keeping a general tally, and I do think Andre picked up a number of rounds.

But the guy had to have seven for that score.

I didn't think the rounds were all so clear-cut that the judges could all have the same result.

I thought 114-113 was a fair result.... for Kovalev. Obviously, unless they allow even rounds, a draw is an impossibility as Andre was KD'd.

[BennyST]

Aside from the obvious robbery (As soon as I heard 114-113 I knew BS was about to happen), why the flying F is Ward allowed to clinch like no other? Excessive clinching if f'n illegal in boxing. No man should be able to clinch that f'n much and not get points deducted. There were some rounds where Ward started with a clinch, absolutely unreal.

Are you ****ing people seriously that blind? You go in with wacky preconceptions and then when a clinch happens, you just automatically think 'must be Ward, that slimy ****, clinching and holding on'.

Mate, pull your head and finger out, and go watch the fight without your blinders on.

Every time Ward moved in close, Kovalev would grab him under both arms, or wrap his head up in a sort of headlock. Ward was the one trying to fight inside, while Kovalev was the one holding and wrestling.

If you can't even distinguish that, then it's certain that you wouldn't be able to distinguish anything apart from what is already preconceived in your head.

Some people here man...

[BennyST]

I wasn't scoring accurately, just keeping a general tally, and I do think Andre picked up a number of rounds.

But the guy had to have seven for that score.

I didn't think the rounds were all so clear-cut that the judges could all have the same result.

I thought 114-113 was a fair result.... for Kovalev. Obviously, unless they allow even rounds, a draw is an impossibility as Andre was KD'd.

I thought that too, but they all got the same scores via quite different routes though.