Anyone really believe Floyd is remotely close to being TBE ?

[Boxfan7819]

"How do you rank them when they don't run across in the internet." Maybe you should read more because I said they aren't mainly found in front of the cover because foreign journalism is mainly behind the U.S in terms of cover. So it is hard to find one, but you can found it on youtube if you look into enough. And you can also look in to foreign T.V in mexico and spain and germany when they talk about boxing history.


Basing a criteria that has no direct bias in nationality should be considered and floyd already has the advantage. Why ask officials only in America when there are other countries?
I could also ask you how many of these boxing analist rank mayweather ahead of Pac or inside top 10.


Do you think Floyd is ahead of Manny despite the fact that Manny has the better resume, accomplished more, accomplished feats that no one in the boxing world has ever accomplished.

What is your criteria?

What did Floyd accomplished inside boxing?
Undefeated Record 49-0 surpassed by Ricardo Lopez
Lineal Champ at 4 weight classes, equaled by Manny Pacquiao and Henry Armstrong.
Champion in Five Divisions surpassed by Oscar Dela Hoya and Manny PAcquiao
No ATG prime in their best weight class and Manny has three

What did Pacquiao accomplished?
8 division champion (Never been done before)
7 division champion (Never been done before)
The only flyweight to win a belt in Lightweight, Lightwelterweight, Welterweight and Jr. Middleweight.
Fought Three ATG mexicans in their prime and best weight class.
One of the most celebrated Careers in boxing.
Lineal Champ at 4 weight classes equaled by Mayweather and Henry Armstrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a6hAy6jJ4E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWEXd_Qa9QI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPVqpQKen2k

this is an unbiased analysis from a BLACK analist and trainer of boxing and MMA who knows his history.

I thought Pac had 5 lineal titles?

[JmH Reborn]

All I know is, if Floyd does come back and end the hype train of McGregor, so I can go back to work in peace again, I will forever be a fan.

I thought my boy Diaz did the deed, but for the rematch he was ordered to not to do any takedowns or hurt Connor to bad, which allowed McGregor his "redemption"

Thanks in advance Floyd if you are lurking or a minion of yours is lurking at your behest

[AllEyesOpen]

Just saying "your book" isnt really that objective. how long have you been a fan of boxing? if you dont mind....just saying.

Who anyone thinks is the best ever is completely subjective, in the history of boxing people can choose a fighter from any generation and make an argument that they were the best ever for a variety of different reason, and many would be valid. You saying Mayweather is not one of the best doesnt seem very objective either but then again i don't expect someone's opinion to be.

[Mr. Objectivity]

Who anyone thinks is the best ever is completely subjective, in the history of boxing people can choose a fighter from any generation and make an argument that they were the best ever for a variety of different reason, and many would be valid. You saying Mayweather is not one of the best doesnt seem very objective either but then again i don't expect someone's opinion to be.

so how old are you then?

[AllEyesOpen]

so how old are you then?

Based on just this site, I've been a boxing fan 8 more years than you. You could be 1,000 and your weak argument still wouldn't hold water.

[BoxingTrav]

"Floyd has a better record" Ahahahahahah 3 ATG mexicans at their prime and best weight class on Pac's resume disagrees + 8 division world champ>5 division

"Floyd has a head to head win again" - 6 years too late in the making.

"Floyd has a better record against common opponents" ahahhahahaahah, Floyd was put into ***** street by shane mosley, got his nose busted up against Miguel Cotto and barely scraping past Oscar Dela Hoya, while going life and death against Ricky Hatton at 147! and Pacquiao dominated them without so much of giving an effort!

Talk about overreaching!

1. Floyd is 50-0, Manny is 59-7-2. Better record = Floyd

Manny lost to Torrecampo and Singsurat. Last I checked neither is in the Hall of Fame. Morales beat Manny, Manny beat him after Raheem beat him. Manny gets props for fighting and beating Morales, Barrera and Marquez that's why he's one of the best ever. But Floyd has a better record. That's undisputable

2. Head to head win. Floyd beat Manny head to head. What's the debate? Floyd was older than Manny. Manny refused the fight because he didn't want to his blood tested. Simple.

3. Better Record against common opponents.

Floyd 5-0

Manny 6-1-1

And below were their predictions:

Cotto:

Breakdown: "I think it's going to be a really tough fight. Manny has his advantages. Floyd has his advantages. But working with Freddie Roach the past two fights, I know what he is capable of doing and I think he is going to get Manny to see Floyd's mistakes and Manny is going to take advantage of them," said Cotto, a four-division titleholder, who shares Hall of Fame trainer Roach with Pacquiao. "I'm rooting for Manny Pacquiao. I think the quickness of Manny is going to have a big impact on Floyd's performance.

"Manny can move from here to there in less seconds than Floyd and that's going to be a big advantage for Manny, [but] Floyd is a strong boxer." Cotto declined to make a pick but added, "I believe they have the strength and the one who attacks is going to be the winner. Also who is going to be stronger mentally? That is very important."

Mosley:

Breakdown: "Both guys are very anxious to prove that they are the better fighter," said Mosley, a three-division champion. "I think Mayweather has the advantage. He can get out of the way of Manny's punches and counter him. He's a great counterpuncher. And Mayweather's punching power is not bad at all. So he can hurt you. Manny is very fast. He throws a lot of punches, four or five in combination and they come out pretty fast. He's quick but sometimes you can predict what he will do and you time him. Maybe in the beginning he throws you off but then you get the hang of it. Maybe that's why Marquez landed the right hand [to knock him out]. He knew he could close his eyes and throw the right hand and land it.

"Mayweather is crafty with his angles. I think it will be competitive. Who's faster? I think Mayweather is faster off the gun, meaning from point A to B. Pacquiao is faster with his combinations and throwing punches in bunches. Pacquiao was the heavier hitter and [his punches] have a lot more snap than Floyd's. Having felt both guys punch, Pacquiao is the harder puncher because I went down. I was dizzy when I got up. I felt in that fight I didn't have a chin anymore."

Mosley went on to describe what it was like being in the ring with both men.

With Pacquiao: "When I first got into the ring and he was throwing punches in bunches I felt like I could get away from him. It wasn't hard to get away from him but the thing was I couldn't throw any power shots and then he knocked me down [in the third round] and I couldn't really load up. And my left Achilles was injured and I had blood blisters on my feet."

With Mayweather: "When I hurt him in the second round I was like, 'Wow! I got him.' I rocked him and I thought I'd knock him out. Then he got away and the bell rang and I missed my chance."

Mosley is picking Mayweather because "I think he is going to be able to move away from Manny's power shots. If I could get away from Manny's power shots, Mayweather can get away from him and pot shot him. Mayweather has the power to knock him out but Pacquiao has the power as well."

Mosley also brought up the fact that if Mayweather has one area where he is not superb, it's against southpaws, which Pacquiao is. "Floyd has had a problem with southpaws before," he said. "Mayweather likes to lean over to his right side and Pacquiao likes to throw the left hand down the pipe and maybe that happens. He has a great straight left hand."

Hatton

Breakdown: "The first five rounds I gave Floyd a good go. It was close," Hatton said. "Then it was apparent it was a different level than anyone I boxed before. His timing and his speed were great. I never saw those punches. You're not gonna beat him boxing. He has that shoulder roll and fantastic defense, but he also fought me up close.

"He likes to fight on the back foot, but he seems to find a way to win against any style opponent like he did against me. When I fought Manny, I think the training camp could have gone a bit better. First thing I noticed about Manny was his speed like in the Floyd fight. But he was heavy-handed, a lot more heavy-handed than Floyd. He punches were more explosive. Floyd is more calculated. Manny clipped me with a lead right hook and even the non-power punches felt very, very heavy-handed. He's hard to read. He shuffles fast with his feet, moves in and out and has no real rhythm. That's gonna be a massive problem for Floyd because Manny's footwork is great.

"I think the reason I gave Floyd so much trouble early on is I moved in quick on him and Manny is faster than me. If Manny goes in and out, in and out, like he did with Oscar and lands the punches and gets out he will give Floyd problems. But Floyd always seems to find a way no matter who he fights."

That is why Hatton is picking Mayweather to be victorious.

"He always adapts," Hatton said. "I would tell Manny, 'Use your angles, your movement, your volume like you did with Oscar. Pick him off, move in and out. Don't run right at him. Floyd likes that. Pot shot him, show movement, chose your moments.' Everyone has tried to jump all over him. Maybe Pacquiao should use a different approach."

Juan Manuel Marquez

Breakdown: "It's a big responsibility to say who will win that contest," Marquez, a four-division titleholder, told ESPN Deportes. "But if we're talking in boxing terms, Mayweather knows how to handle himself in the ring very well and even knows how to get his opponent to fight at his pace and he takes advantage of that.

"Pacquiao's punch and speed will be important, but the main objective is to land his best shots. [Pacquiao is a] very dynamic fighter who likes to turn sideways to not get punched and handles counters well.

"It is difficult to give a conclusion on the result because if the fight [goes the distance] it will undoubtedly be a unanimous-decision win for Mayweather. Both have excelled in Las Vegas. Mayweather handles himself very well [when it comes to] the distance with the jab, right hands and counters. For Pacquiao, he will have to move his waist quite often and penetrating his opponent's guard will be vital [in order to win]."

Oscar De La Hoya

Breakdown: "When it first got made I went with Floyd. Floyd hands down," said De La Hoya, who was the biggest star in boxing when he faced them, thereby helping put them over with the public and launch them to superstardom. "As I'm starting to see clips of Pacquiao training and see the fire in his eye and witness the speed, he is looking fast. He's looking like the old Pacquiao. If the Pacquiao shows up that beat me on May 2 then Mayweather is in trouble.

"My head goes with Mayweather, my heart is with Pacquiao. I like Pacquiao. I like what he stands for, what he believes in, I like his fighting spirit. I respect the boxer [Mayweather] but I love the fighter [Pacquiao]. Manny Pacquiao loves fighting, he loves getting hit, being in a brawl. He's used to it, his mind and body. Standing outside and boxing is not him. Mayweather is not used to being in a brawl or fight. That's not who he is. If Mayweather boxes him and figures out how to keep Pacquiao at distance it will be a long, dull, slow fight Mayweather wins easily. But if Pacquiao can surprise Mayweather in the first three rounds and make it a fight and make him think, that is to his advantage. Don't make him think for 30 seconds. You have to make Mayweather think for every second of every round. He's not used to that. Mayweather likes to be in his comfort zone and not exert unnecessary energy.

De La Hoya explained the difference, as he sees it, in their punching power.

"I had good whiskers, I had a good chin," he said. "I can honestly say that for me personally they weren't big punchers but I have to give Pacquiao the upper hand because his past fights have proved that he has that one-punch knockout power. He can also wear you down with the volume of punches he throws. There is more of a sting to his punch that kind of breaks you down and knocks you out.

"Mayweather's punch is more the kind that breaks your rhythm. It gives you the confidence that he's not going to knock you out because it's not powerful but it exposes you. It allows you to go straight in knowing you won't get knocked out but you can't hit him. It's a power that's OK but it's nothing special."

De La Hoya said he believes Pacquiao is by far Mayweather's toughest test in many years, since he won the lightweight title from Jose Luis Castillo in 2002.

"When I fought Floyd the first thing I thought was, 'That's it?' It's no big deal, nothing special. That's what I felt when the fight finished. I felt he was really nothing special and that I had tougher fights," he said. "When I fought Pacquiao I obviously felt overwhelmed. I felt as if there was something special there and he would do special things in the ring after that victory.

"We at Golden Boy promoted Mayweather strategically knowing Mayweather always has the upper hand. For instance, for Marquez, Mayweather didn't make weight and it was Marquez's first fight at welterweight. He looked as if he didn't belong. Putting [Mayweather] up against Robert 'The Ghost' Guerrero, we knew he was tailor-made for Mayweather. I'm not downplaying Floyd. He's skilled, he's talented but now he's facing a real challenge. He is facing the first real challenge since Castillo. This is the first real test in a long time but Floyd is an athlete who can take his game to the next level. He's motivated by the challenge."

[LockardTheGOAT]

I hate Floyd, but he has a strong case for being TBE. He has one of the best resumes of all time. In his prime, he was one of the most difficult fighters in history to beat (hell, past his prime, he was still one of the most difficult fighters to beat.) He's never been properly knocked down to the canvas like virtually every other fighter has. He's definitely a top five for sure, even if you don't have him at #1.

[hugh grant]

He's one of the best of this era. He can do no more than that.

[Sp0rty Cr@ig]

How can you even rank fighters from different eras against eachother?

If you do that for example in track & field todays athletes are far superior than the most dominant guys from the 80's, 90's. So dumb. Every sport evolves. Every era is different.

Floyd is by far the best fighter of his era

[uppercut510]

greatest of this era, skill wise hes definitely one of the top to ever do it, especially at 135, why does it make u all so angry that people think hes great or the best? im sure you have your own opinion of who u think it is. remember they are al great in their own way, whos the greatest will always be just an opinion of the person. when one says Floyd everyone seems to go crazy gee wizz.