the myth of bernard hopkins

[Madison Boxing]

one division coward. welterweight killer.

Two of the main accusations thrown at golovkin, but didnt hopkins do much the same?

Hopkins didnt move up in weight until he was 41 years old. And he stayed at middleweight for 16 years!!! And in fact he only moved up after he lost to taylor. At no point was he on a winning streak and decided, 'wait i need to go up in weight for a challenge', he stayed there until he was old and until he lost again.

And then i examine hopkins record, werent two of his two best wins against smaller men?- de la hoya and trinidad. But golovkin beats brook and that win gets written off completely cause hes smaller, but when hopkins did it, wow what an amazing achievement beating 147 fighters (de la hoya actually started off way lighter than 147 too).

So can hopkins fans please explain to me what is so different about the circumstances of the two fighters? Is this just another case of glorifying a past era? Cause what he did in his prime years looks very much like what people are slating golovkin for.

[Canelo and GGG]

one division coward. welterweight killer.

Two of the main accusations thrown at golovkin, but didnt hopkins do much the same?

Hopkins didnt move up in weight until he was 41 years old. And he stayed at middleweight for 16 years!!! And in fact he only moved up after he lost to taylor. At no point was he on a winning streak and decided, 'wait i need to go up in weight for a challenge', he stayed there until he was old and until he lost again.

And then i examine hopkins record, werent two of his two best wins against smaller men?- de la hoya and trinidad. But golovkin beats brook and that win gets written off completely cause hes smaller, but when hopkins did it, wow what an amazing achievement beating 147 fighters (de la hoya actually started off way lighter than 147 too).

So can hopkins fans please explain to me what is so different about the circumstances of the two fighters? Is this just another case of glorifying a past era? Cause what he did in his prime years looks very much like what people are slating golovkin for.

I remeber him only from SMW and LHW but yes killing WWs made him big but his legacy is more Then that ,GGG have couple of years too, not as much as Bhop doe.Plus its hard for me to say what is Bernard prime.

[Richard Hamilton]

Utter nonsense

[b00g13man]

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[Madison Boxing]

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lol you enjoy my threads really....

[All in]

one division coward. welterweight killer.

Two of the main accusations thrown at golovkin, but didnt hopkins do much the same?

Hopkins didnt move up in weight until he was 41 years old. And he stayed at middleweight for 16 years!!! And in fact he only moved up after he lost to taylor. At no point was he on a winning streak and decided, 'wait i need to go up in weight for a challenge', he stayed there until he was old and until he lost again.

And then i examine hopkins record, werent two of his two best wins against smaller men?- de la hoya and trinidad. But golovkin beats brook and that win gets written off completely cause hes smaller, but when hopkins did it, wow what an amazing achievement beating 147 fighters (de la hoya actually started off way lighter than 147 too).

So can hopkins fans please explain to me what is so different about the circumstances of the two fighters? Is this just another case of glorifying a past era? Cause what he did in his prime years looks very much like what people are slating golovkin for.

All valid points.

[soul_survivor]

Hopkins fought 2 guys who were ATG, both of whom had won something at middleweight and had HOF careers at welterweight. No one can really say "wow" when GGG beats Brook who in all honesty, hasnt done much. It's a good win but nothing special or career defining.

At the same time, it's idiotic to call for GGG to move up and claim that as a negative.

[Eff Pandas]

There is no question fans have gone a lil more nuts about guys moving up in more recent years. I think thats the #1 difference between Bhop back in the day & GGG (& others) now. There is also an argument to be had that perhaps Bhop being an American in America & GGG being a foreign cat in America puts a higher threshold on what he needs to do to get the respect he deserves, but I think mainly fans have changed in what they expect of fighters who have success in one division.

Personally for me I got respect & see the merits in both being a multi-divisional guy + having longevity in one division. I don't see it as an either or situation or see one thing as being that much if at all greater than the other thing.

[Madison Boxing]

Hopkins fought 2 guys who were ATG, both of whom had won something at middleweight and had HOF careers at welterweight. No one can really say "wow" when GGG beats Brook who in all honesty, hasnt done much. It's a good win but nothing special or career defining.

At the same time, it's idiotic to call for GGG to move up and claim that as a negative.

yeah, brook hasnt achieved as much as the other two although hes certainly not some no hoper. But most people slate that fight purely cause of the size difference. They didnt say 'oh brooks not that great' they just said 'its a middleweight picking on a welter'. So i dont see how they can criticise that fight so heavily but not criticise the de la hoya and trinidad match ups.

[Madison Boxing]

There is no question fans have gone a lil more nuts about guys moving up in more recent years. I think thats the #1 difference between Bhop back in the day & GGG (& others) now. There is also an argument to be had that perhaps Bhop being an American in America & GGG being a foreign cat in America puts a higher threshold on what he needs to do to get the respect he deserves, but I think mainly fans have changed in what they expect of fighters who have success in one division.

Personally for me I got respect & see the merits in both being a multi-divisional guy + having longevity in one division. I don't see it as an either or situation or see one thing as being that much if at all greater than the other thing.

yeah i dont see the big deal about moving up in weight, im not criticising hopkins for staying at middle, just saying those who slate GGG i presume were slating hopkins too? I always thought the whole point of weight classes were that you fight at the weight class that you are most comfortable at. ANd you get 3 or 4 weight world champions these days who win an alphabet title against some bum and then move up to the next one so they can say they are a multiweight world champ, i'd rather someone clear out a division than do that.