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  • Dip_Slide
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    The game plan was similar to the one he used against Marquez, never stay stationary, never throw more than 2-3 punches at a time against a counterpuncher like Marquez, use a lot of feints and use the jab a lot, only Floyd Mayweather can stick to that kind of game plan against a guy like Marquez or Pacquiao for 12 rounds. Pacquiao is a prolific counterpuncher in close and that's a big part of his game, he'd use his footwork and throw flurries at you, see how u react, then feint like he's gonna get in again to draw the counter out of you then counter your counter and he had the power to really hurt you, Floyd nullified all that for most of the fight.

    Manny's offensive footwork wasn't a concern for Floyd at all since he knew he can easily nullify that by pivoting and turning Pacquiao everytime he tried to launch an attack, the blueprint for Floyd imo was the Shane Mosley fight, Shane was clearly past it and he was never known to be a mover but by using simple backward and pivoting movements he managed to have Pacquiao lunge in and lose his balance all night, if Pacquiao couldn't cut off Shane and trap him on the ropes, noway in hell he was gonna be able to do it against Floyd Mayweather. Floyd's only concern was Pacquiao's counterpunching ability and that's why he never commited nor was he ever in range, and his worries were justified because the 2-3 good punches Pacquiao landed in the fight were counterpunches, so he did a good job of deciphering Manny's style.

    Floyd could've/should've thrown more punches late, the left upper cut followed by the right hand or the right hand left hook combo would've worked late but he was way to cautios especially with the hook but when he threw it he was very successful with it.

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      #22
      Originally posted by Strategic1
      Dude...Floyd threw the least amount of punches in his whole career.

      Floyd's plan was to stay out of danger, don't throw,...and just make use of his reach and height advantages to keep distance.

      Honestly the truth is, if Pacquiao was the same size of Floyd in terms of height and reach., he'd beat him.

      That's why Kellerman is right. Pac should be ranked higher p4p compared to Floyd.
      Being a small target was one of Pacquiao's best attributes considering the fact that he's an offensive fighter, his short arms gave a a tremendous advantage at the higher weight classes during exchanges, it takes him much less to get his punches off and to land them compared to taller opponents, Floyd understood that and avoided that kind of fight, he fought his own fight and Pacquiao didn't/never had the ability to cut off Floyd and to force him to fight Pacquiao's fight, if Pacquiao couldn't cut off Mosley and was being checked and pivoted and was off balance most of the time in that fight, I never saw what he could do against the best mover/defensive fighter probably in history.

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        #23
        It was quite similar to the Canelo gameplan. He came out n took the center of the ring with a wide stance. And yes, those lead rights that landed in the first round were a message.

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          #24
          Originally posted by Dip_Slide
          The game plan was similar to the one he used against Marquez, never stay stationary, never throw more than 2-3 punches at a time against a counterpuncher like Marquez, use a lot of feints and use the jab a lot, only Floyd Mayweather can stick to that kind of game plan against a guy like Marquez or Pacquiao for 12 rounds. Pacquiao is a prolific counterpuncher in close and that's a big part of his game, he'd use his footwork and throw flurries at you, see how u react, then feint like he's gonna get in again to draw the counter out of you then counter your counter and he had the power to really hurt you, Floyd nullified all that for most of the fight.

          Manny's offensive footwork wasn't a concern for Floyd at all since he knew he can easily nullify that by pivoting and turning Pacquiao everytime he tried to launch an attack, the blueprint for Floyd imo was the Shane Mosley fight, Shane was clearly past it and he was never known to be a mover but by using simple backward and pivoting movements he managed to have Pacquiao lunge in and lose his balance all night, if Pacquiao couldn't cut off Shane and trap him on the ropes, noway in hell he was gonna be able to do it against Floyd Mayweather. Floyd's only concern was Pacquiao's counterpunching ability and that's why he never commited nor was he ever in range, and his worries were justified because the 2-3 good punches Pacquiao landed in the fight were counterpunches, so he did a good job of deciphering Manny's style.

          Floyd could've/should've thrown more punches late, the left upper cut followed by the right hand or the right hand left hook combo would've worked late but he was way to cautios especially with the hook but when he threw it he was very successful with it.
          Originally posted by Dip_Slide
          Being a small target was one of Pacquiao's best attributes considering the fact that he's an offensive fighter, his short arms gave a a tremendous advantage at the higher weight classes during exchanges, it takes him much less to get his punches off and to land them compared to taller opponents, Floyd understood that and avoided that kind of fight, he fought his own fight and Pacquiao didn't/never had the ability to cut off Floyd and to force him to fight Pacquiao's fight
          Props man, beautiful pinpoint analysis.

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            #25
            Originally posted by Mike D
            Props man, beautiful pinpoint analysis.
            Thanks man, the most important thing we've learned in that fight is having educated feet is much more important than having fast feet, we've also learned that Pacquiao is mainly a counterpuncher and not just a brawler. I don't care what anyone say but I truly enjoyed watching this fight because that was a chess match at the highest level.

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              #26
              Originally posted by Strategic1
              Dude...Floyd threw the least amount of punches in his whole career.

              Floyd's plan was to stay out of danger, don't throw,...and just make use of his reach and height advantages to keep distance.

              Honestly the truth is, if Pacquiao was the same size of Floyd in terms of height and reach., he'd beat him.

              That's why Kellerman is right. Pac should be ranked higher p4p compared to Floyd.
              You realize Manny threw the least amount of punches in his entire career after saying he was going to be aggressive and KO Floyd , was Mannys plan to stay out of danger ?

              And if Floyd was the same weight as Mike Tyson he would make him look like a fool , if he was the same weight as Golovkin he would not lose a single round .

              You see there is other perspectives to all of it .

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                #27
                Originally posted by Strategic1
                Dude...Floyd threw the least amount of punches in his whole career.

                Floyd's plan was to stay out of danger, don't throw,...and just make use of his reach and height advantages to keep distance.

                Honestly the truth is, if Pacquiao was the same size of Floyd in terms of height and reach., he'd beat him.

                That's why Kellerman is right. Pac should be ranked higher p4p compared to Floyd.
                So now it's " honestly the truth is if they were the same height " ...? This is getting sad , he got beat fairly easily take it and move forward

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Strategic1
                  Dude...Floyd threw the least amount of punches in his whole career.

                  Floyd's plan was to stay out of danger, don't throw,...and just make use of his reach and height advantages to keep distance.

                  Honestly the truth is, if Pacquiao was the same size of Floyd in terms of height and reach., he'd beat him.

                  That's why Kellerman is right. Pac should be ranked higher p4p compared to Floyd.
                  No he didn't, he threw far less against Maidana in the 2nd fight.

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                  • Caught Square
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                    #29
                    IMO before the fight he was intending to fight more aggressively and wanted to dog Pacquiao a bit more but then quickly realised he isn't Judah or Corley lol.

                    In the end he saw Pacquiao was a difficult fighter so did what he needed to do to neutralise his dangerous attack by keeping him at bay with the jab and smoothering him when he tried to get his range to throw combinations.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Caught Square
                      No he didn't, he threw far less against Maidana in the 2nd fight.
                      Against Maidana in the rematch

                      Punches thrown by Floyd: 326
                      Punches landed by Floyd: 166
                      Connect % for Floyd: 51%



                      Against Pacquiao

                      Punched thrown by Floyd: 435
                      Punches landed by Floyd: 148
                      Connect % for Floyd: 34%



                      So yeah he did indeed throw less against Maidana in the rematch -- in fact he threw more than a hundred less in that fight than he did the Pacquiao fight -- yet he landed more on Maidana in that fight despite throwing 100 plus less punches.

                      Floyd's 148 landed against Manny was the fewest landed punches in Floyd's entire career.

                      That number though, as paltry as it was, still dwarfed Manny's pathetically anemic punches landed statistics in that fight (which was in the 80's).

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