Comments Thread For: Canelo Could Become Mandatory To Billy Joe Saunders

[Porter's Dad]

Manny said no and the fight was built up for two more years. Both fighters profiles increased. We are talking 9 months here and how will Trip increase his profile or drawing power. Plus don't compare the 40M offer to the 120M purse. The 40M was direct to Manny, cutting Arum out. The 120M included Arum cut.

The context of Manny's decision is far different than for Trip. Manny could afford to gamble because he held big chips. He was a ppv stud in his own right. Trip is not and isn't even projected to gain any more leverage between now and September 2017.

Complete and utter revisionist BS. The Pac-May fight was not built up for two more years, there was no more building to do or required. In fact, in those last two years, people were sick of waiting for it and had practically given up. It is a myth that 5 years of marinating generated the huge numbers - it would have done the same numbers before that too.

As for Golovkin's leverage - he is making perfectly good purses without Canelo. It is Canelo's numbers that are declining, cos fans are not gonna take the fight go past 2017. Canelo and GBP are under huge pressure to make the fight in Sept 2017. They can't walk away from the table and no-one, apart from the idiots on the internet, is gonna let that pass.

[Motorcity Cobra]

first, yes Canelo vs ggg is likely to do around a mil in ppv buys as its the biggest fight that can be made in boxing right now. If promoted right and put on a Mexican holiday weekend, it's a lock.

Cotto's lowest PPV tripled GGG's. Canelo's lowest PPV tripled GGG's. How do you figure GGG vs Canelo will hit one million? What metrics are you using to predict that?

[Canelo and GGG]

Complete and utter revisionist BS. The Pac-May fight was not built up for two more years, there was no more building to do or required. In fact, in those last two years, people were sick of waiting for it and had practically given up. It is a myth that 5 years of marinating generated the huge numbers - it would have done the same numbers before that too.

As for Golovkin's leverage - he is making perfectly good purses without Canelo. It is Canelo's numbers that are declining, cos fans are not gonna take the fight go past 2017. Canelo and GBP are under huge pressure to make the fight in Sept 2017. They can't walk away from the table and no-one, apart from the idiots on the internet, is gonna let that pass.

Floyd and Manny are almost in same age
Manny was doing good with out Floyd too
Canelo Fought LIAM SMITH thats why numbers was low
he fight BJS or Lamule its 500-600k,he fight Cotto 700k

[techdude69]

GGG will get to billy hoe first. No way does billy hoe come to the US to be ****ed over by gingers paid judges and no way does Canelita goes to the UK. To pampered for that and he might get jet lag. GGG fights in the UK and has name recognition there. Huge fight for Billy Hoe & GGG in the UK. UK is the big money for this fight.

[cali37]

WTF are you on about? This isn't about ATG ranking, it's about comparing two fights - one was significant bigger, but the fights can be compared by their protagonists.

In this case, the A-side who deserves the greater majority offers a flat fee - the B-side says no, I'm not leaving untold millions on the table.

In both scenarios, Larry and his idiot crew on this site were telling Pac and GGG to take the flat fee.

Pac said no, ended up making $150m. So the idiots were wrong.

But now the idiots are back, saying GGG should take the $10m.

The idiots still haven't learned their lesson.

Is this explanation clear enough for you?

In the may-pac fight, both fighters were already atg's, and proven ppv draws. In canelo-ggg one fighter is a future hall of famer and a proven ppv draw while the other fighter's best win is a ****ing welterweight and his first ppv did 97k while his second ppv cost less than $20

[Robbie Barrett]

Complete and utter revisionist BS. The Pac-May fight was not built up for two more years, there was no more building to do or required. In fact, in those last two years, people were sick of waiting for it and had practically given up. It is a myth that 5 years of marinating generated the huge numbers - it would have done the same numbers before that too.

As for Golovkin's leverage - he is making perfectly good purses without Canelo. It is Canelo's numbers that are declining, cos fans are not gonna take the fight go past 2017. Canelo and GBP are under huge pressure to make the fight in Sept 2017. They can't walk away from the table and no-one, apart from the idiots on the internet, is gonna let that pass.

You think Pacquiao coming off a KO loss to JMM sells the same amount with Mayweather as they did?

Pacquiao had to rebuild.

It didn't happen before that because Pacquiao turned down 50/50 over drug testing and was still demanding cut-off dates.

[aboutfkntime]

Cotto's lowest PPV tripled GGG's. Canelo's lowest PPV tripled GGG's. How do you figure GGG vs Canelo will hit one million? What metrics are you using to predict that?

the biggest fight for Canelo is clearly Cotto

The 3 biggest draws in boxing were.....
1) Mayweather
2) Pacquiao
3) Cotto

Mayweather has retired, Pac's numbers have plummeted, and there is nothing whatsoever to indicate that Canelo has surpassed Cotto as yet, certainly not the Khan fight

pretty sure that the most lucrative fight for Canelo (probably by far) would be Cotto

of course, that fight is completely unnecessary, but the numbers are likely too high to ignore..... it will probably happen, dammit

[aboutfkntime]

Floyd and Manny are almost in same age
Manny was doing good with out Floyd too
Canelo Fought LIAM SMITH thats why numbers was low
he fight BJS or Lamule its 500-600k,he fight Cotto 700k

that is pretty-much what I think

if Canelo fought BJS/Jacobs/Lemiuex, or maybe even Eubank, he would likely generate 400k-500k

Cotto/Canelo will likely generate 700k-800k PPV's

Canelo/Golovkin could generate those numbers, but would most likely be around 500k-700k....

..... Canelo would likely get 60%, or at least 55%, and Cotto would be much easier to negotiate with as well as to fight

hard to imagine that fight not happening, unfortunately

Golovkin should have taken the 10mil just to secure that fight, because Canelo will fight Saunders after Cotto

[rrayvez]

Cotto's lowest PPV tripled GGG's. Canelo's lowest PPV tripled GGG's. How do you figure GGG vs Canelo will hit one million? What metrics are you using to predict that?

simple, it all has to do with public demand for the fight. While cotto is a bigger name than ggg, the demand for Canelo to face ggg is greater than it ever was to face cotto. Similar comparison is holyfield was by a far a more established ppv star than Lennox Lewis but Lewis vs tyson outsold tyson vs holyfield. It's all about the demand for the fight, more than an individual fighters popularity.

[aboutfkntime]

GGG will get to billy hoe first. No way does billy hoe come to the US to be ****ed over by gingers paid judges and no way does Canelita goes to the UK. To pampered for that and he might get jet lag. GGG fights in the UK and has name recognition there. Huge fight for Billy Hoe & GGG in the UK. UK is the big money for this fight.

you're dreaming

Golovkin could not make a meaningful fight if his life depended on it..... and it is starting to become clearly obvious that Canelo/Saunders has been discussed..... as the WBO, Frank Warren, and GBP, have ALL recently commented on that prospective match-up.

next year, Golovkin will have to negotiate with the WBO Middleweight Champion if he wishes to fight Canelo