was Roberto Duran really that great?

[wmute]

Dip****....Is 118 even lightweight?? NO. So what comparison would you like? Ok...here's one for you: Floyd Mayweather winning the middleweight championship of the world! He started heavier than Duran. Now consider that smart guy...now that you're going after Duran! lol I thought you knew something about boxing...apparently not!

The day that Mayweather wins the middleweight championship of the world is that day that I will compare him to Duran. But, until then......

Bull

Duran119 at age 16-17.
16--->119
17---->119-122
18---->already above 126.

Mayweather was in the ams at that age:

16 ---> 106
17 ---> 112
19 ---> 125
and until age 25---> 130

Maywaether IS smaller than Duran was, and he already won a 154 belt.

By your logic the comparison is very possible.

NOTE: I rank Duran above Mayweather, and so far I have NO DOUBTS about it. But I accept that it is based on my (hopefully educated) opinion, not on "facts" which, as you can see, are quite not "facts".

[Wiley Hyena]

Duran fought 4-5 bums a year...Justification for fighting a figher excuse me 23 fighters with similar records...ONCE HE WAS A CHAMPION....i dont think so. If you think in your wildest imagination hmmmmm lets see ray had years when he fought 5- fights..and none of them were that quality and he was not even a champion yet....1979.

Wiley I dont want to disrepect your opinion that Duran is a all time great, and will give you much more credibilty than than some on here who offer nothing in return. Yes Duran foutht a lot, but there is not justification for fighting the a fighter hmmmm 23 fighters with records like 0-3 or 1-4. If you think simply because your fighting 4-5 times a year that that is ok...then I see exactly where any sensible discussion is headed.

23 out of 118 fighters?? Is that what you're saying? Or are there more now in your opinion?

LOL.....When Pacquiou wins the middleweight championship of the world, then we'll see another Duran in action....but until then, I guess we'll have to wait.

You're too much statitician, and haven't seen enough Duran to know what you're talking about. If you didn't see it, you missed it. Know go on and review and sift through all your records.

You think YOU are the word here, when the great majority of the boxing world and almost all boxing historians blatantly disagree with what you're saying? Right.

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Yes I would put duran over ray too based on this..

duran fought bum after bum at light weight.

He is 1-2 vs Ray..and barely won the 1st fight by 4 poits total...no matter how you want to twist it the fact is Duran won by 4 points between 3 cards..

Duran got beat by Hearns Benetiz, and Hagler all by the age of 33...Leonard beat them all.

Duran best victories at lightweight are not on par with Leonard best at welterweight or above..

Barkly and moore while being good fighters are not great fighters,,it was a hell of a accomplishment however.

Duran moved up and got beat repeatedly by age 33...Before you duran nut huggers say he was not at his peak weight...Neither were Mosly, dlh, Leonard, mayweather..etc...they all moved up...

And finally for those who know nothing about boxing...Duran started at 118 because he had no amateur career....This is Like Ray starting at 135...as an amateur. Factor that in...Durans 1st 20 or so fights he didnt even have a official trainer and his oppoisiton was roughly in the same situation.

There is a lot that you durans fans leave out when swinging on his nuts...Duran in today era...would get his ass handed to him repeatedly...as he did once he started fighting great fighters..These are not the ernesto marcils........

[Wiley Hyena]

Bull

Duran119 at age 16-17.
16--->119
17---->119-122
18---->already above 126.

Mayweather was in the ams at that age:

16 ---> 106
17 ---> 112
19 ---> 125
and until age 25---> 130

Maywaether IS smaller than Duran was, and he already won a 154 belt.

By your logic the comparison is very possible.

NOTE: I rank Duran above Mayweather, and so far I have NO DOUBTS about it. But I accept that it is based on my (hopefully educated) opinion, not on "facts" which, as you can see, are quite not "facts".

Yeah well..what are we talking about: Pacquiao, Mayweather, Duran; all starting their careers below 120 lbs. OK....when Mayweather was 8 years old he was 55 lbs. lol

Duran started at 118 and eventually won the middleweight championship of the world. Hey smart guy....find me another one that has done that. Started his professional career below 120 and became middleweight champ. Find the others. I'm not saying they don't exist, but if they do...then show them to me. AND don't say it was Leonard without producing the records to prove it.

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wmute...thanks for posting this...Duran fans do not list facts........ Mayweather and Duran are comparable in efforts at moving up the ladder only, Mayweather has done so much more successfully. NO loses...no ko..no quits....

And Ihate Mayweather, and regard duran as better (for now) pound per pound than mayweather, but not Leonard....Duran exploits at lightweight are vastly overrated..If duran is the best because of that..Then so is Hopkins, he dominated the middleweights with no good names during his reign. rockky Marciano retired undefeated, but didnt beat anyone great..

Durans best thing is that Leonard chose to go toe to toe..Had leonard boxed him in montreal...we are not even having this debate......

[Wiley Hyena]

wmute...thanks for posting this...Duran fans do not list facts........ Mayweather and Duran are comparable in efforts at moving up the ladder only, Mayweather has done so much more successfully. NO loses...no ko..no quits....

And Ihate Mayweather, and regard duran as better (for now) pound per pound than mayweather, but not Leonard....Duran exploits at lightweight are vastly overrated..If duran is the best because of that..Then so is Hopkins, he dominated the middleweights with no good names during his reign. rockky Marciano retired undefeated, but didnt beat anyone great..

Durans best thing is that Leonard chose to go toe to toe..Had leonard boxed him in montreal...we are not even having this debate......

Show me one guy that started his professional career below 120 and eventually won the middleweight championship. Show me....show me Leonard...if you can.

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Duran started at 118 Wiley when most are amateurs....Dlh, Mayweahte Leonard etc.... I factor that in..especially when you see the quality of those fights that duran faced....let me give you the facts.... Wow you all simply do not know anythign about boxing..

Duran first fight mendoza 0-0
3rd fight jimenez 0-0

I can go on and on and on....showing that duran quality of fights were not comparible night in night out..to what a leonard faced....These were simply amateur fights that duran got paid for.


Hers is Ray's first professional fight.....
8-11-2 (his opponent had 21 professional fights vs durans...0 fights)
10-1 2nd fight..In fact when you go up and down leonards resume you dont see any fighters with records like duran routinely faced...Even after he became a champion

THOSE ARE THE FACTS.......So yes it is compariable to Say Leonard stared his amateur career at 132...and ended up winning the 175 pound belt.....43 pounds different. Duran started at 118 won at 160....

[SkillspayBills]

Dip****....Is 118 even lightweight?? NO. So what comparison would you like? Ok...here's one for you: Floyd Mayweather winning the middleweight championship of the world! He started heavier than Duran. Now consider that smart guy...now that you're going after Duran! lol I thought you knew something about boxing...apparently not!

The day that Mayweather wins the middleweight championship of the world is that day that I will compare him to Duran. But, until then......

Did Duran not make the chunk of his all time great career at LIGHTWEIGHT correct.. Floyd is smaller than Duran is FACT.

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Roy jones started at 160 ended up winning the heavyweight title...henry armstrong....Either you dont get it,,or simply refuse to accept FACTS. Duran is over rated, and got his ass handed to him nightly when he started facing better fighters.....all in his prime years,

[Wiley Hyena]

Duran started at 118 Wiley when most are amateurs....Dlh, Mayweahte Leonard etc.... I factor that in..especially when you see the quality of those fights that duran faced....let me give you the facts.... Wow you all simply do not know anythign about boxing..

Duran first fight mendoza 0-0
3rd fight jimenez 0-0

I can go on and on and on....showing that duran quality of fights were not comparible night in night out..to what a leonard faced....These were simply amateur fights that duran got paid for.


Hers is Ray's first professional fight.....
8-11-2 (his opponent had 21 professional fights vs durans...0 fights)
10-1 2nd fight..In fact when you go up and down leonards resume you dont see any fighters with records like duran routinely faced...Even after he became a champion

THOSE ARE THE FACTS.......So yes it is compariable to Say Leonard stared his amateur career at 132...and ended up winning the 175 pound belt.....43 pounds different. Duran started at 118 won at 160....

In other words...you cannot find anybody that started their professional career under 120 and eventually won the middleweight crown....nobody but DURAN!!

All time great. You guys are pissing against the wind on this one. lol