was Roberto Duran really that great?

[Easton Assassin]

Please quote the post where I said you lack boxing knowledge for picking Pavlik to beat Taylor. YOU DO lack boxing knowledge for saying Kosta would KO Mosley because he beat Forrest in the amateurs. My arguments regarding the sport at least are backed by FACTS yours.................well we know about yours Coyote.

I would pick kostya over Mosley aswell. Kostya has proven that slick boxers are not a problem for him, infact his legacy is built off that one fact if nothing else!

I say Tzsyu catches mosley with that right hand by the 5th! funny, isn't shane considered weak against the right which just happens to be Tzsyu's biggest weapon?

[Wiley Hyena]

Please quote the post where I said you lack boxing knowledge for picking Pavlik to beat Taylor. YOU DO lack boxing knowledge for saying Kosta would KO Mosley because he beat Forrest in the amateurs. My arguments regarding the sport at least are backed by FACTS yours.................well we know about yours Coyote.

You know exactly what I said....and it's a valid observation....I did not say Kostya would KO Mosely. I said Kostya beat Forrest in the amatuers and that is just another indicator that he could have beaten Mosely. That's what I said...and you know it. But, hey...go ahead and hang on to it. If that's all you can come up with, then I'm laughing.

At least I'm knowledgable enough to know that Duran was a great fighter. Then again, it doesn't take a genius to know that.

[Easton Assassin]

Actually I just made the statment to bust your chops budd it is good to see you back on the boards no matter how crazy you get. Nonetheless I will address what you have said. I for one believe Duran is an All time great and has accomplished much more than Floyd at this point in his career. However I believe Floyd has all time great skill but needs the other half..............accomplishments. To say Floyd couldn't carry Duran's jockstrap is saying a bit much because Floyd would give Duran a very good fight and would hold his own, more than likely in a losing effort though.

Fair enough! Good to see your point acumulating lol! you make good point skills, but damn i get riled with all the damn nuthuggery with mayweather-it's like a bad rash!

[wpink1]

I dont remember any one saying Duran was not an all time great, or that Mayweather right now deserves to be ranked with Duran. However, we give you facts, and you can not return the favor.

One thing that you and other do is leave out the facts that are not favorable about duran. Duran first 20 or so fights were against fighters with something like 0-0 records Fact! This was his equavalence to an amateur career as these fighters were not experience professionals. Fact! Did Duran win a belt at 118? Now he was young and still growing, fighting fights learning his trade making money...while others wher doing the same thing, fighting fights under the umbrella of Amateur...So to say Professional career, I will concur that Duran professional career started at 118, however the reality if Mayweather's Dlh all did what Duran did only their early years were for free......

I gave you a person who as a professional accomplished the same feat, Roy Jones Jr...He started at 160...then fought to the heavyweight title vs a fighter who weight well over 200? In fact he weight 226 for the fight.

[SkillspayBills]

Fair enough! Good to see your point acumulating lol! you make good point skills, but damn i get riled with all the damn nuthuggery with mayweather-it's like a bad rash!

I try to analyze these things logically, key word is TRY. Yeah I am young but is that really a plausible argument to think I lack knowledge. I will be the first to admit I have a lifetime worth of learning about EVERYTHING but I do know a "lil sum sum" so to speak.

[Wiley Hyena]

I dont remember any one saying Duran was not an all time great, or that Mayweather right now deserves to be ranked with Duran. However, we give you facts, and you can not return the favor.

One thing that you and other do is leave out the facts that are not favorable about duran. Duran first 20 or so fights were against fighters with something like 0-0 records Fact! This was his equavalence to an amateur career as these fighters were not experience professionals. Fact! Did Duran win a belt at 118? Now he was young and still growing, fighting fights learning his trade making money...while others wher doing the same thing, fighting fights under the umbrella of Amateur...So to say Professional career, I will concur that Duran professional career started at 118, however the reality if Mayweather's Dlh all did what Duran did only their early years were for free......

I gave you a person who as a professional accomplished the same feat, Roy Jones Jr...He started at 160...then fought to the heavyweight title vs a fighter who weight well over 200? In fact he weight 226 for the fight.

Excuses. In other words, you can find no other figher but Duran to start his professional career below 120 and win the middleweight championship of the world.

If you cannot recognize this feat of athletism, then you are beyond reason. Your bias has crippled your mental faculties in this regard. Don't fret, it's a common condition around here.

[wpink1]

As for Mayweather being ranked over leoanrd that is your opinion, and if he beats Hatton, Cotto, I will easily have him well over Duran and most likely over leonard too.

Helll beating very good and great fighters at 154 and 147 consistently when you started at 130 IMO does quality for high pound per pound ranking, and no Leonard nor Duran has done that. They may have won some fights up North, but night in night out going against the best at the much heavier weight class and still unbeaten..You can hate him, and not like his style but the facts are he a great great fighter.

[SkillspayBills]

You know exactly what I said....and it's a valid observation....I did not say Kostya would KO Mosely. I said Kostya beat Forrest in the amatuers and that is just another indicator that he could have beaten Mosely. That's what I said...and you know it. But, hey...go ahead and hang on to it. If that's all you can come up with, then I'm laughing.

At least I'm knowledgable enough to know that Duran was a great fighter. Then again, it doesn't take a genius to know that.

LIAR. You said Kos would KO Mosley because he beat Forrest decisively in the amateurs. After the comment more than one poster berated you for the statement because you, oh old and wise one, didn't realize the concept of "styles making fights". You know you are actually knowledgable I remember you posting some facts about Ali that owned the hell out of another user. Your only fault is when it comes to Konstantine, Floyd, and Richard. I never said you lacked knowledge for Pavlik-Taylor and you know it. I disagreed with that assesment but I didn't criticize you for it, hey if that is what floats your boat more power to you, we all know the truth.

[wpink1]

for one post quit hugging on Durna nuts..and be consistent, honest and objective as I will be.

Did Duran's 70 fights at amateurs contaain at least 40 fights vs opponents that had records that leoanrd never even bothered to think about fighting against? Simple yes or no question.

2nd did duran move up and face leonard in both fights at age 29...and ultimately Hagler and hearns and benitez all before the age of 34? Simple yes or no questions.

Did Duran quit because from his own words..not myth...he was frustereated?

Finally has Mayweaher moved up to win titles in the 135-140-147 and 154 divisions with out a loss while Duran has many losses..all around the same age 29-33? Simple yes or no question.

I will be happ to answer any questios for you if you can suck it up and answer those questions.

[SkillspayBills]

Excuses. In other words, you can find no other figher but Duran to start his professional career below 120 and win the middleweight championship of the world.

If you cannot recognize this feat of athletism, then you are beyond reason. Your bias has crippled your mental faculties in this regard. Don't fret, it's a common condition around here.

He just gave you Roy Jones. Wouldn't even you call that a good comparison.