Comments Thread For: Roach: Golovkin May Need To Jump To 175 For More Recognition

[The Big Dunn]

Roach isn't asking for GGG to move up, he say's "he may need to, to get recognition" That's not the same thing.

He also says that GGG is the best P4P boxer in the world, but let's ignore that part.

Roach is living in the past. He knows that no boxer ever moved up to face the best in a higher division, in order to gain "recognition" They did it for money!

In Roach's head, recognition and money are linked in the sport of boxing. One follows the other like night follows day. Not any more.

SRL was paid $14million to move up to MW and face Hagler, and that was back in the 80's! GGG would make less money for fighting the winner of Ward/Kovalev than he would get for Canelo, or for BJS or Eubank Jnr in the UK.

And let's say, for arguments sake, that GGG challenged the winner of Kovalev/Ward and beat him. He would get monster respect and recognition from hard-core boxing fans and boxing pundits, but it wouldn't make him the kind of cross-over star that SRL was in the 80's, and it wouldn't translate into huge purses for subsequent fights.

That's because the kind of fans that GGG, or any fighter, need to win over to become another SRL, or another Floyd, or another Manny, don't know who the **** Ward and Kovalev are!

Sad, but true.

I got no beef with you. But reading Roach saying this illustrates my point to you that "the demographic" isn't responsible for all the criticism GGG gets.

I think only Canelo pays more. BJS or Eubank will not yield more than the Kov/Ward winner. The fight just needs to be marketed properly and held in a location yielding the highest ticket prices.

GGG isn't going to cross over huge in the US IMO for the same reason Wlad didn't- the casual white American sports fan doesn't tend to embrace eastern european and russian boxers.

It seems GGG's maximum value is as Drago to Canelo's Rocky. HBO needs the younger, bigger star to win. Why else do you think HBO allows Canelo to hide from GGG and moved GGG away from Ward (even though you disagree)?

Defeating an undefeated GGG will help erase the Floyd debacle in the minds of casuals.

[SchoolTheseCats]

You and many others want GGG to leave the MW division because you are scared of him going one up on Floyd by knocking Canelo TFO without draining him first.

Dumbest post of 2016 by far wtf do triple G one upping featherfisted mayweather have to do with anything? Lmao canelo won title at 150 cw and got 152 cw which he asked for to make fight happen being drained was just a built in excuse for losing.

[BigStomps]

The winner of Ward/Kovalev against Canelita will be even bigger! Canelita walks around 180 lbs begging for a belt, any belts, except MW.

Canelo doesn't need no belt to prove he's the biggest star in boxing.
That's why you have fighters from welterweight to super middleweight wanting to fight him.
So all you little g nuttriders need to realize that Canelo is the A-side, and the fight happens on his terms.
So little g better take what's offered to him and if he's as confident as he thinks he is then prove it on the ring and win and then he'll be the A side on a rematch.

[kafkod]

I got no beef with you. But reading Roach saying this illustrates my point to you that "the demographic" isn't responsible for all the criticism GGG gets.

I think only Canelo pays more. BJS or Eubank will not yield more than the Kov/Ward winner. The fight just needs to be marketed properly and held in a location yielding the highest ticket prices.

GGG isn't going to cross over huge in the US IMO for the same reason Wlad didn't- the casual white American sports fan doesn't tend to embrace eastern european and russian boxers.

It seems GGG's maximum value is as Drago to Canelo's Rocky. HBO needs the younger, bigger star to win. Why else do you think HBO allows Canelo to hide from GGG and moved GGG away from Ward (even though you disagree)?

Defeating an undefeated GGG will help erase the Floyd debacle in the minds of casuals.

Roach isn't criticising GGG. He says he's the best P4P boxer in the world. What he says after that is his opinion on what he thinks GGG needs to do to get the recognition Freddy clearly thinks he deserves.

What Roach is saying there has no connection with the criticism GGG gets from "the demographic" at this site.
All that **** is just a continuation of the fanboy clique warfare that started with Floyd and Manny.

HBO have no part in keeping Canelo and GGG apart. That's GBP's doing. No doubt HBO are reasonably content with the money Canelo is bringing in for them as things stand, but that's peanuts compared to what they would make from a fight between Canelo and GGG.

Ward moved up to 175 because he can't make 168 any more.

[kafkod]

Dumbest post of 2016 by far wtf do triple G one upping featherfisted mayweather have to do with anything? Lmao canelo won title at 150 cw and got 152 cw which he asked for to make fight happen being drained was just a built in excuse for losing.

Oh, so it was Canelo who asked for a catchweight from Floyd, not the other way round?

OK mate, whatever you say.

[NaijaD]

Roach isn't criticising GGG. He says he's the best P4P boxer in the world. What he says after that is his opinion on what he thinks GGG needs to do to get the recognition Freddy clearly thinks he deserves.

What Roach is saying there has no connection with the criticism GGG gets from "the demographic" at this site.
All that **** is just a continuation of the fanboy clique warfare that started with Floyd and Manny.

HBO have no part in keeping Canelo and GGG apart. That's GBP's doing. No doubt HBO are reasonably content with the money Canelo is bringing in for them as things stand, but that's peanuts compared to what they would make from a fight between Canelo and GGG.

Ward moved up to 175 because he can't make 168 any more.

Of course HBO have a part because ultimately they must give the green light on any fight they broadcast and clearly they are happy for the fight to marinate because it is in their best interest if the younger and more marketable Canelo wins the fight.... and as time goes by his chances only get better and better. You're naive if you can't see this.

[kafkod]

GGG isn't going to cross over huge in the US IMO for the same reason Wlad didn't- the casual white American sports fan doesn't tend to embrace eastern european and russian boxers.

It seems GGG's maximum value is as Drago to Canelo's Rocky. HBO needs the younger, bigger star to win.

No. Just no!

Mr baby-faced, cardigan wearing nerd Golovkin as Drago is funny enough ... but Canelo as the all American hero, Rocky Balboa, in the political climate you have over there right now?

You do realise that Canelo is Mexican, and can't even speak English?

[kafkod]

Of course HBO have a part because ultimately they must give the green light on any fight they broadcast and clearly they are happy for the fight to marinate because it is in their best interest if the younger and more marketable Canelo wins the fight.... and as time goes by his chances only get better and better. You're naive if you can't see this.

Giving the green light on a proposed match-up is not the same as making that match, or preventing that match from being made if the fighters and promoters want it.

HBO execs are not ******. They know that a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush, even if they thought GGG/Canelo would be twice as big in a years time than it is now.

What if Canelo can't hack it at 160 and loses to, eg, Lemieux or BJS?

What if 34 yo GGG really is on the decline, as so many people here claim, and loses his titles before the fight with Canelo can be made?

That's the biggest fight in boxing, financially, blown, and HBO would miss out on all that revenue. GGG vs Canelo, last Sept, would have been a monster fight for HBO. You have to be nuts to think it was them who prevented it from happening.

[kafkod]

GGG isn't going to cross over huge in the US IMO for the same reason Wlad didn't- the casual white American sports fan doesn't tend to embrace eastern european and russian boxers.

It seems GGG's maximum value is as Drago to Canelo's Rocky.

Edit:

What you said about GGG/Canelo would have worked if they'd gone down that route with Kovalev/Ward.

Kovalev would be great in the role of Russian bad-guy, and the USA has a black president, so a black Rocky would definitely work too.

Not a ginger, Spanish speaking Mexican one doe. Lol.

[Nay_Sayer]

What boxing recognition ? What the f you talking about Roach?

1. GGG is internationally known.
2. UNBEATEN champion.
3. Apple and Nike endorsements.
4. Broke Mike Tysons KO record
5. Olympic Silver Medalist
6. Does not have to rely on holidays to put people in seats

What u talking about ...

7. Sold 97K PPVs