The golovkin/ward paradox

[j0zef]

No, because of all the great wins Pacquiao had afterward. Lemieux falls just slightly short of that.

What happens later does not change the past. Lemieux is 10 yrs younger than Pac. Whether he goes onto become the greatest SMW ever in the next 10 years, or fades into obsucrity doesn't change that he was a 22 year old kid with big muscles who lost against a veteran fighter in his prime.

The narrative stays the same.

[Madison Boxing]

Golovkin Haters make the worst arguments, and are typically hypocritical. Ward hasn't fought anyone with a pulse in 4 years! His best win is Carl Froch! A guy whose style is taylor made for Ward. And is the same guy that said to avoid GGG like the plague and retired instead of cashing out with a career high pay day against GGG.

Ward gets credit for facing the best guy in his division. GGG is trying to do the same thing with Jacobs, and before that with Martinez and Quillin but they keep running. After this fight with Kovalev, win or lose Ward will go back to fighting bums like he has for the last 4 years.

People want GGG to move up now but there is no one that will beat him at 68, and the haters will just call them bums anyway. So he should stay the course and capture middle weight greatness. Smash Jacobs Saunders and Canelo and then take on the biggest names at 68 or 75.

the truth ^

[IMDAZED]

What happens later does not change the past. Lemieux is 10 yrs younger than Pac. Whether he goes onto become the greatest SMW ever in the next 10 years, or fades into obsucrity doesn't change that he was a 22 year old kid with big muscles who lost against a veteran fighter in his prime.

The narrative stays the same.

Pretty sure, pound for pound, Pacquiao would beat Golovkin. Lemieux just isn't a very good fighter. Young, prime, old, whatever.

[Jewish-Reptile]

Because you called it a career defining win

I called it GGG's career defining fight which really does not distinguish a noteworthy career.

I'll stop playing games, you've clearly missed the fact I'm not a GGG fan. I admire him but I want him to move up and clear out 168 as he has 160, it'll be argued he hasn't cleared out 160 by his detractors but it is clear he's destroyed everyone he has faced and or willing to face him, Flounders, Jacobs and Cameltoè clearly don't want their prospective future fighting stock damaged thus are demanding massive cuts or huge paydays.

The sooner GGG moves up to 168 we will see him in competitive fights. I've no desire to see him continue these one sided beat downs that aren't in the least entertaining due to the uncompetitive nature of them. The most exciting part of a GGG fight at 160 is picking the round he will stop his overmatched opponent.

[bluebeam]

I called it GGG's career defining fight which really does not distinguish a noteworthy career.

I'll stop playing games, you've clearly missed the fact I'm not a GGG fan. I admire him but I want him to move up and clear out 168 as he has 160, it'll be argued he hasn't cleared out 160 by his detractors but it is clear he's destroyed everyone he has faced and or willing to face him, Flounders, Jacobs and Cameltoè clearly don't want their prospective future fighting stock damaged thus are demanding massive cuts or huge paydays.

The sooner GGG moves up to 168 we will see him in competitive fights. I've no desire to see him continue these one sided beat downs that aren't in the least entertaining due to the uncompetitive nature of them. The most exciting part of a GGG fight at 160 is picking the round he will stop his overmatched opponent.

Cameltoe....Lol

[Sugar Adam Ali]

The strangest thing is fanboys hate Golovkin for fighting Brook for 2 lower weight classes, but want ggg to bump up 2 classes to fight Ward...

Fanboys are the worst

[Jewish-Reptile]

The strangest thing is fanboys hate Golovkin for fighting Brook for 2 lower weight classes, but want ggg to bump up 2 classes to fight Ward...

Fanboys are the worst

Ward vs GGG would be a mismatch I would like him to move up to 168 not 175, the only fan boys desperate to see GGG st 175 are the ones desperate for him to lose offended by his class power and skill which is clearly too much for anyone south of 168 possibly everyone at 168 too, for a challenge he may have to face Ward at a catch weight between 175-168 GGG dragged Brook up two weights for his career best win it's likely he will have to do the same.

Don't act like an insecure girl.

[SplitSecond]

Ward vs GGG would be a mismatch I would like him to move up to 168 not 175, the only fan boys desperate to see GGG st 175 are the ones desperate for him to lose offended by his class power and skill which is clearly too much for anyone south of 168 possibly everyone at 168 too, for a challenge he may have to face Ward at a catch weight between 175-168 GGG dragged Brook up two weights for his career best win it's likely he will have to do the same.

Don't act like an insecure girl.

Ward looks way past it to me, if that Brand guy can do what he did then Golovkin has good odds to beat Ward even at 175. If Ward does win it'll just be by doing nothing i.e jabbing Golovkin and hugging him making no fight out of it at all, he's not gonna punish Golovkin or anything.

But we'll see with the Kovalev fight. Old Ward would beat Kovalev up(not saying he'd win but he'd try and do damage), new Ward will probably just play a game of "look how defensively sound I am", and his highlights will be the occasional solidly landed jab.

[Jewish-Reptile]

Ward looks way past it to me, if that Brand guy can do what he did then Golovkin has good odds to beat Ward even at 175. If Ward does win it'll just be by doing nothing i.e jabbing Golovkin and hugging him making no fight out of it at all, he's not gonna punish Golovkin or anything.

But we'll see with the Kovalev fight. Old Ward would beat Kovalev up(not saying he'd win but he'd try and do damage), new Ward will probably just play a game of "look how defensively sound I am", and his highlights will be the occasional solidly landed jab.

Who and in what manner has GGG beaten to make you believe he would not only beat Ward but convincingly overcome him, surely not Antiono Rubio ?

[SplitSecond]

Who and in what manner has GGG beaten to make you believe he would not only beat Ward but convincingly overcome him, surely not Antiono Rubio ?

Who has Golovkin beaten for people to think he beats Canelo?

I guess he just got higher grades in the eye exam in comparison to Ward's latest outings.