When It's Clear You Ducked, Then It's an L (Forfeit)

[IronDanHamza]

How soon we forget.

Hagler and Pryor had the same complaints about Leonard - he became a diva and was blatantly avoiding fights, kind of like Danny Garcia in a way.

He eventually fought Hagler but initially refused a rematch. Why? Because he would have lost.

He was playing games retiring and unretiring so he could avoid fighters. Pryor was one of them.

Back at that time, most every notable reporter thought he was ducking. Remember, wasn't no "interwebs" at that time.

It wasn't until later when it was revealed how bad shape Leonard physically was that people changed their mind.

Completely false.

He took his time to fight Hagler, waited for him to slip. Once he saw he slipped he decided to fight him.

Pryor? No. Nothing of the sort.

He offered Pryor a career pay day and he turned it down. At no point did Leonard duck or avoid Pryor.

[AneesMoha]

When a bad man comes to you and says, "give me your title"


You say, "here you go mister."




that is a definitive L (TKO by forfeit)




It's like France throwing up the white flag to Germany. That Loss is a fact of history for France.

WW1 or WW2?

[Combat Talk Radio]

He offered Pryor a career pay day and he turned it down. At no point did Leonard duck or avoid Pryor.

AFTER initially refusing a request for a fight.

What you're saying is, and the excuse you're making is, "Well, no...it's not a duck because Leonard just waited long enough for those guys to degrade before offering to fight them."

Ok, then by that logic, nobody ducked anybody and this thread is moot.

[IronDanHamza]

AFTER initially refusing a request for a fight.

What you're saying is, and the excuse you're making is, "Well, no...it's not a duck because Leonard just waited long enough for those guys to degrade before offering to fight them." out the window.

Ok, then by that logic, nobody ducked anybody and this thread is moot.

Bull****.

When did Leonard refuse a request to fight Pryor?

Ray Leonard offered a fight to Pryor in the early 80's and he turned it down so that throws your "he waited for him to degrade"' nonsense.

The only time the fight didn't happen were two occasions, the first one when Pryor turned it down and the second time when Leonard re-injured his eye.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Bull****.

When did Leonard refuse a request to fight Pryor?

So....

[IronDanHamza]

So....

Ah yes, if it isn't the classic "HBO Legendary Nights" documentary. Which is ironically exactly where this bull**** myth that Leonard ducked Pyror was born.

Very telling that you've shared a clip from there.

What exactly does this clip tell us? Literally nothing. That clip is Pyror tying to hi-Jack Leonard's press conference. Show me or give me a source to Ray Leonard refusing a fight with Pyror, turning down on offer from Pyror, publicly stating he won't fight Pyror, anything. You can't because it doesn't exist.

Here is a fact; Ray Leonard offered a fight to Aaron Pryor in the early 80's, top of my head I'm going to say 1981, I'm not 100% on that but it was definitely at the start of the 1980's and Pyror TURNED IT DOWN. A career high pay day mind you. This is a fact. This also debunks the fantasy you just told that "Leonard offered Pyror a fight when he was on the downslide" that is literally no more than complete nonsense.

At no point or stage of Leonard's career did he avoid or duck Aaron Pryor. But it's nice to see that HBO Legendary Nights garbage is still having influence on people.

[hugh grant]

What if you ducked a fighter when they were firing on all cylinders and cherry picked them after they came off of a ko and were no longer ko monsters?

Historically the win wouldn't mean much as well.

[Canelo and GGG]

What if you ducked a fighter when they were firing on all cylinders and cherry picked them after they came off of a ko and were no longer ko monsters?

Historically the win wouldn't mean much as well.

You would be Floyd M then

[Combat Talk Radio]

Very telling that you've shared a clip from there.

What exactly does this clip tell us?

Aaron Pryor calls out Sugar Ray Leonard to his face on an open mic.

Leonard dismisses him as if he were some bum when in reality, he's being confronted by one of only two fighters at the time that would have given him that work.

Those who saw that incident live will tell you - Leonard was straight up scared.

That's a duck.

[hugh grant]

If you blatantly ducjk then at the very least that guy your ducking should be considered the favourite and be considered better fighter, until proven otherwise.