"Terrible" Terry Norris vs PBF aka Money May @ 154 lbs / 11 Stone: Who wins?

[IronDanHamza]

I think its pretty clear at this point that he has no concept of what a great fighter is. Or he has dug himself so deep into claiming that Terry isn't great that as he sees evidence to the contrary, he is unwilling to admit that he was mistaken in his assessment of him.

Oh yeah mate, I have no concept of what a great fighter is

"Evidence to the contrary" "admit that I was mistaken" you're having a laugh aren't you?

What's your "evidence" that makes me "mistaken"? A video of him beating Simon Brown?

I actually witnessed Terry Norris's career as it happened. He's not a great fighter.

[IronDanHamza]

I would consider myself pretty respectable lol. But for argument sake here is a pretty respectable person, and a pretty balanced summary/view, who probably has access to a lot more facts, information, than you and I.

http://www.boxingscene.com/-top-20-j...ll-time--18452

Cliff Rold and I have spoken many times on many different subjects.

Don't see how he has any more access to facts than I myself would.

[IronDanHamza]

I can already tell you that he doesn't consider James Toney great, because he didn't come in shape all the time.

I think his definition of great is "your name starts with Floyd and ends with Mayweather" "you have to go around chanting hard work dedication" etc...

False.

Your comprehension skills are pathetic.

I never said James Toney isn't great because he didn't come in shape all the time.

I said "he's not cut from that old school cloth" like you laughably claimed because he was never shape.

James Toney isn't great for many reasons, the fact his discipline is piss poor is irrelevant. He isn't great because he doesn't have a single dominant victory over a top opponent and regularly lost and struggled to sub par fighters.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I don't think any respectable person would say he is a great fighter.

So what? Being a P4P fighter for a few years makes you a great fighter?

Norris was far from great.

Very good, yes. Talented, yes. Great? No.

I disagree.... Terry Norris may not be an ATG but he is a great fighter... Hall of famer, one of the best ever, at 154, and during his run was considered elite.

You even said yourself that norris would give floyd a run for his money at 154, that should be testament to how good norris was at 154.. He wasn't some run of the mill paper champ..

[IronDanHamza]

His definition of 'Great' certainly seems to vary from mine. That doesn't mean Toney wasn't great, he just didn't have great discipline or consistency.

But he was a great fighter - he beat a Prime McCallum and an undefeated prime Nunn. Only a great fighter could beat those guys, and nothing short of a great fighter could beat Floyd Mayweather, even if he was a natural 154lber.

My definition of great is very simple man. If you're an ATG fighter then I'm willing to call you great. I don't throw the word "great" around loosely and brand any very good fighter a great fighter.

Miguel Cotto is a 4 weight world champion and one of the fighters of his era and was on the P4P list for years, he's not a great fighter.

Kosta Tszyu was a long time lineal champion and top 3 P4P fighter for a while , he's not a great fighter.

Mark Johnson was on the P4P list for a while and a very good champion, not a great fighter.

These guys are not great fighters just like Terry Norris is not a great fighter. He's just not. His resume is not great and far from it.

As for your last point I disagree entirely. Just because I and others pick him to beat Mayweather doesn't mean he just be great. I'd pick Kalule to beat Mayweather at 154 and he's not a great fighter either.

[IronDanHamza]

I disagree.... Terry Norris may not be an ATG but he is a great fighter... Hall of famer, one of the best ever, at 154, and during his run was considered elite.

You even said yourself that norris would give floyd a run for his money at 154, that should be testament to how good norris was at 154.. He wasn't some run of the mill paper champ..

I don't really understand this logic. If he's not an all time great fighter then how is he a great fighter? Why is he great? Is any HOF'er a great fighter?

Carl Froch is a HOF'er and one of the best ever at 168 is Carl Froch s great fighter? Certainly not in my book.

And again just because I've picked a Jr MW to beat Floyd doesn't make them great. Like I just stated above I'd pick Kalule over Floyd aswell is he great?

A guess the term "great" can get thrown around easily around here.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I don't really understand this logic. If he's not an all time great fighter then how is he a great fighter? Why is he great? Is any HOF'er a great fighter?

Carl Froch is a HOF'er and one of the best ever at 168 is Carl Froch s great fighter? Certainly not in my book.

And again just because I've picked a Jr MW to beat Floyd doesn't make them great. Like I just stated above I'd pick Kalule over Floyd aswell is he great?

A guess the term "great" can get thrown around easily around here.

There is great,,, then their is "all time" great.... If both were the same their would be no need to add the "all time".. But their is a difference..
Vince Carter was a great basketball player, he wasn't an all time great

[Real King Kong]

Floyd would never fight a guy like a prime norris.

[IronDanHamza]

There is great,,, then their is "all time" great.... If both were the same their would be no need to add the "all time".. But their is a difference..
Vince Carter was a great basketball player, he wasn't an all time great

All "all time great" means is the great fighters that the world has seen. Or atleast in my opinion that's what ATG's are...great fighters. The clues in the name.

I don't know anything about Basketball.

As for Boxing, you have to be better and do more than Terry Norris did for me to call you great it's really that simple. Maybe my standards are higher than yours.

[Guest]

I still hate Terrible Terry for beating up Sugar Ray Leonard when I was a kid.

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