Comments Thread For: Andre Ward: The Gennady Golovkin Fight Will NEVER Happen

[S7V7N]

Reality. Where you at?

Well the original story can be looked up on 9/15/2015 LA Times you may want to reread but I'll highlight the important points.

Loeffler said the email from an official of Ward’s promoter, Roc Nation Sports, extends a 50/50 purse-split offer to fight in 2016 after each fighter took one fight earlier in the year.

"It would’ve been a bad deal to take," Loeffler said.

Loeffler said the Roc Nation email was received hours after he’d already announced Golovkin’s fight with Lemieux at Madison Square Garden, with Roc Nation aware the World Boxing Council designated Golovkin (33-0, 30 knockouts) the mandatory challenger to a then-pending Miguel Cotto-Saul “Canelo” Alvarez title bout that will be fought Nov. 21. Roc Nation promotes Cotto....

Loeffler said his emailed reply to Ward’s camp was that if Ward was still at 168 pounds in early 2017, Golovkin would be pleased to consider the bout at that point.

Notice Ward specifically leaves out the weight? KNBR goes more in depth.

The only stipulation Ward divulged was the even split of the money, so unless “SOG” goes public with the document, we can’t verify its contents at the moment. An email to Ward’s team was not immediately returned.

And that email never has been revealed, however keep reading Ward's statement...

“Now if the shoe was on the other foot, and I said, ‘I’m going to 175, and I’m not going to touch Kovalev,” Ward said in the hypothetical. “I’m going to fight this guy and that guy, but if I fight Kovalev, he’s gotta come to 170 or 172?"

He's obviously not going for any catch weight.

If you want reality then go watch this great breakdown of the events.

Ward must have seen this video.

[aboutfkntime]

Loeffler said..... if Ward was still at 168 pounds in early 2017, Golovkin would be pleased to consider the bout at that point.

[fighter1234]

He's fighting a guy who is not that heard of or known this is why Ward will always be asked about the most known and feared fighter about even if Ward for some miraculous reason wins against Kovalev the public won't give him much props for it because he's meant to win he's the favourite this is his natural weight limit there is absolutely no adversity to be dealt with like there never ever has been in Wards career.

Holy **** what a post. You've simultaneously said that it will take a miracle for Ward to win and that he shouldn't get props for the win? At least we know how YOU will discredit him of he wins.

[Sledgeweather17]

Carrot & Sticks? Risk vs Reward? These mean anything to you? As risk increases, then the reward must as well. Adjust the scale anyway you choose, but this is how negotiations are made & deals are struck.

Anyone can argue the finer points & try to offer validity to the side of their choosing, but you can't argue when one side was willing to give up a few pounds while the other wasn't. Really all there is to it.

As Ward said, that shipped sailed (at least for a couple of years) but it was all by his own choosing & refusal to meet Golovkin half way or at least defend his title at 168 & see what the next year or two had in store. If the fight ever gets made down road, then it will have to be GGG who moves up & therefore will be taking the risk, just as Ward is now doing in a very measured & time consuming fashion with 175 & Kov.

Once again you fail. GGG pretended he didn't care about risk-reward business, he explicitly said he was a fighter and not a business man, and also said he would fight ANYONE from 154 to 168, 168!!!

He took himself out of the risk-reward equation himself because he thought everyone was scared of him. And then when Andre came calling, he decided to put himself back into the risk-reward equation.

That is a simple fact you have still failed to accept, and you're just like triple G in that respect, since you are the one that started this 'accept the simple facts' movement and are now taking yourself out of it.

Guess it makes sense why you a GGG fan, you know what they say about birds of the same feather.

[S7V7N]

Once again you fail. GGG pretended he didn't care about risk-reward business, he explicitly said he was a fighter and not a business man, and also said he would fight ANYONE from 154 to 168, 168!!!

Believe you're confusing Abel the trainer for GGG the fighter, no? Trainers say all kinds of crazy **** their fighters have to live with, including Virgil Hunter!

Never mind that part then, where does it say that he will fight anyone at these weights giving them every advantage? If making a smart decision like putting off a potential Ward fight for the likelihood of making a different fight with another p4p fighter with multitudes of higher payout?

He offered to meet halfway, that's all anyone can realistically ask of any fighter.

But I guess if that's your only defense to make, sure Gennady made a smart business decision while not sacrificing any integrity. What a hypocrite! Point made!

Oh, almost forgot about Ward offering to fight Floyd at 160. Now offering to fight Golovkin at 175. Bashes GGG for fighting Brook & claims Canelo is truly only a JMW! He's always so righteous.

[AhabSnake]

GGG has said all along he wants to be undisputed middleweight champion, so let him fight Billy Joe saunders, be undisputed, then canelo, then move up. It's that simple.

[Jubei]

Summer 2013: Ward, (active and regarded a top P4P fighter) was offered the GGG fight by HBO, GGG said "Lets fight", but Ward said "No thanks", Ward just recently commentated a couple GGG fights for HBO and seemed to be very very impressed, comparing GGG to Chavez Sr, just a better version overall, more power and better defense:

Links: Ward ducking GGG in 2013, original russian interview + Translation:

http://allboxing.ru/news/20150615-2239/gennadiy-golovkin-uord-hvatit-boltat-za-soboy-smotri

http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-shreds-andre-ward-why-you-talking-sht--92369

Ward in awe while calling a GGG fight, saying GGG is a better version of Chavez Sr:
Exact link: https://********/UVuKFFeSmyI?t=21m50s

Winter 2013-Summer 2015: Ward inactive, not fighting at all, sabotaging his own career, turning irrelevant:
Link: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/how-and...59-boxing.html

June 20th, 2015 Ward comes back, fights Paul Smith at 172, moving further away from GGG. Fight is on BET, Ward lost his belts, his P4P status and his couple fans. Ward has no drawing power and has to rebuild his name.
Abel Sanchez realizes Ward possibly cant make 168 and wonders why Ward talks about facing GGG yet fights at Light Heavy.
Link: http://www.boxingscene.com/gggs-coac...cations--90269

July 2015 GGG is still being avoided by the top names, Froch ducks the fight and rather retires, Cotto who is lineal MW champ avoids GGG, so GGG still would consider fighting Ward, who is pretty irrelevant at this time money wise, yet K2 tries to negotiate with Ward, but Ward delusional as ever, demands 50/50 cash, K2 says, if Ward demands 50/50 cash the fight can only happen if both fighters meet in the middle, at 164. GGG moves up 4, Ward moves down 4. Ward doesnt respond, doesnt try to negotiate for example a 45/55 split at 166 or 40/60 at 168. Ward is shook of GGG yet again, ducks the fight yet again.

Link: http://www.espn.com/blog/dan-rafael/...ke-ward-vs-ggg

Late 2015: GGG announces his future plans with the WBC mandatory, the Canelo Cotto winner sometime in 2016, his plans to unify all Middleweight belts and also announces the Lemieux PPV.
Link: http://www.fight news.com/Boxing/ggg...r-clash-302160

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-boxing-wbc-cotto-canelo--golovkin-20150617-story.html

Same day, 1 hour after GGG's announcements: Ward, still only one meaningless fight under his belt in 2 years, terrible ratings, sends a "genuine 50/50 offer" to GGG for a fight in 12 months time, in Late 2016, after a couple tuneups at a weight Ward wasnt able to make in 3 years when the fight would happen. GGG has to move up to 168, yet "zero concessions" Ward would get 50/50 and GGG would have to give up the Canelo fight and the MW unification plans.
Link: http://www.latimes.com/sports/sports...915-story.html

A 100% hoax offer, yet again another duckmove by Andre Ward, who seems to be terrified of GGG after he commentated some of his fights on HBO.

Fanboys, dummygraphic and GGG detractors claim GGG ducked Ward and expose themselves, even though it is well documented that Ward ducked GGG all these years.

[aboutfkntime]

Summer 2013: Ward, (active and regarded a top P4P fighter) was offered the GGG fight by HBO, GGG said "Lets fight", but Ward said "No thanks", Ward just recently commentated a couple GGG fights for HBO and seemed to be very very impressed, comparing GGG to Chavez Sr, just a better version overall, more power and better defense:

Links: Ward ducking GGG in 2013, original russian interview + Translation:

http://allboxing.ru/news/20150615-2239/gennadiy-golovkin-uord-hvatit-boltat-za-soboy-smotri

http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-shreds-andre-ward-why-you-talking-sht--92369

Ward in awe while calling a GGG fight, saying GGG is a better version of Chavez Sr:
Exact link: https://********/UVuKFFeSmyI?t=21m50s

Winter 2013-Summer 2015: Ward inactive, not fighting at all, sabotaging his own career, turning irrelevant:
Link: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/how-and...59-boxing.html

June 20th, 2015 Ward comes back, fights Paul Smith at 172, moving further away from GGG. Fight is on BET, Ward lost his belts, his P4P status and his couple fans. Ward has no drawing power and has to rebuild his name.
Abel Sanchez realizes Ward possibly cant make 168 and wonders why Ward talks about facing GGG yet fights at Light Heavy.
Link: http://www.boxingscene.com/gggs-coac...cations--90269

July 2015 GGG is still being avoided by the top names, Froch ducks the fight and rather retires, Cotto who is lineal MW champ avoids GGG, so GGG still would consider fighting Ward, who is pretty irrelevant at this time money wise, yet K2 tries to negotiate with Ward, but Ward delusional as ever, demands 50/50 cash, K2 says, if Ward demands 50/50 cash the fight can only happen if both fighters meet in the middle, at 164. GGG moves up 4, Ward moves down 4. Ward doesnt respond, doesnt try to negotiate for example a 45/55 split at 166 or 40/60 at 168. Ward is shook of GGG yet again, ducks the fight yet again.

Link: http://www.espn.com/blog/dan-rafael/...ke-ward-vs-ggg

Late 2015: GGG announces his future plans with the WBC mandatory, the Canelo Cotto winner sometime in 2016, his plans to unify all Middleweight belts and also announces the Lemieux PPV.
Link: http://www.fight news.com/Boxing/ggg...r-clash-302160

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-boxing-wbc-cotto-canelo--golovkin-20150617-story.html

Same day, 1 hour after GGG's announcements: Ward, still only one meaningless fight under his belt in 2 years, terrible ratings, sends a "genuine 50/50 offer" to GGG for a fight in 12 months time, in Late 2016, after a couple tuneups at a weight Ward wasnt able to make in 3 years when the fight would happen. GGG has to move up to 168, yet "zero concessions" Ward would get 50/50 and GGG would have to give up the Canelo fight and the MW unification plans.
Link: http://www.latimes.com/sports/sports...915-story.html

A 100% hoax offer, yet again another duckmove by Andre Ward, who seems to be terrified of GGG after he commentated some of his fights on HBO.

Fanboys, dummygraphic and GGG detractors claim GGG ducked Ward and expose themselves, even though it is well documented that Ward ducked GGG all these years.

First it was, Golovkin: " I'll fight anyone at 154, 160, 168 "

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/boxing/post/_/id/1193/middleweight-golovkin-says-hell-fight-anyone-at-154160-168

Then Andre Ward announced his comeback.




So it became, " Golovkin: I'll fight anyone at 154, 160, 164 "

http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkins-promoter-wed-fight-ward-164-50-50-split--93258

Then Ward said that he would consider a catchweight.




So it became, " Nobody at 154/160 can go 12 rounds with Golovkin "
http://www.mma-core.com/videos/Abel_...ht_us/10102303




Then Cotto/Canelo both insisted upon a catchweight.




So then it was, " Gennady Golovkin eyes unification at middleweight "

http://www.ibtimes.com.au/boxing-news-gennady-golovkin-eyes-unification-all-middleweight-titles-1476074

Then Ward moved to LHW.




So then it became, " Golovkin Will Go Anywhere To Face Carl Froch! "

http://www.boxingscene.com/sanchez-golovkin-go-anywhere-face-carl-froch--97726

now it is..... " anyone from 159-161, except Lara "




When the Golovkin hype-train left the station, most fans were under the impression that GGG actually wanted to fight guys like Ward/Cotto/Canelo..... ?

[IR0NFIST]

Andre is right, GGG didn't want that work! However, if Dre gets a "beat down" from Kov, he might want to consider going back to 168! Never say never!

Golovkin's last two weigh ins were 158.9 and 159.0. Ward's last weigh in was 171.8. That’s a 12.8–12.9 pounds difference. You aren't ducking someone who weighs almost 13 pounds heavier than you.

[Sledgeweather17]

Believe you're confusing Abel the trainer for GGG the fighter, no? Trainers say all kinds of crazy **** their fighters have to live with, including Virgil Hunter!

Never mind that part then, where does it say that he will fight anyone at these weights giving them every advantage? If making a smart decision like putting off a potential Ward fight for the likelihood of making a different fight with another p4p fighter with multitudes of higher payout?

He offered to meet halfway, that's all anyone can realistically ask of any fighter.

But I guess if that's your only defense to make, sure Gennady made a smart business decision while not sacrificing any integrity. What a hypocrite! Point made!

Oh, almost forgot about Ward offering to fight Floyd at 160. Now offering to fight Golovkin at 175. Bashes GGG for fighting Brook & claims Canelo is truly only a JMW! He's always so righteous.

It was his trainer? Lol, that's your excuse? Okay, since you wana stand by the 164lb catchweight stance, and your excuse to 'debunk' the 154-168 stance is that it was his trainer who said that, then plz do tell us again who it was that said 164lb or nothing, because I sure as hell know it wasn't GGG either who said that, yet you wana legimitimse that statement and have been defending and justifying it the whole time. What do they call this....a double standard?

This is just another confirmation of your fanboyism, total lack of objectivity and blatant bias.