Name a 160 fighter in history that could beat GGG?

[robertzimmerman]

HeadShots,

that is the whole point. competitiveness is what gives the illusion of greatness.

There is no illusion.

The Fab Four all beat guys who were proven greats.

If GGG lost to Kell Brook. Kell Brook would be P4P #1 in boxing. Then say Erroll Spence came up and 1 punched Kell Brook. Erroll Spence would be seen as great. Then GGG came back and beat the dogchit out of Erroll Spence.

I don't think Kell would be classed as the P4P no.1 fighter had he have beaten GG. Maybe by some, but it would depend on the circumstances. Kell isn't a proven great as yet, and neither is GG at this stage.

then wow all 3 get in the HOF. That is the exact pass around in the 70's.

They didn't just get into the hall of fame by beating each other though did they?

Look at some of the other guys they beat, and when they beat them.

As well as fighting each other, between them they beat guys such as:

Wilfred Benitez
Ken Buchanan
Virgil Hill

That is sensationlism for phags like you. The fact is, GGG is supposed to absolutely beat the dog chit out of both if he's a great MW champ. Hagler is an overrated middleweight. Period. He's supposed to be like Bernard HOpkins and GGG who don't have close fights with WW's and finish them. not get into close decisions and losses with them.

You say Marvin was overrated, yet you have GG beating EVERY name mentioned, even though he hasn't done much at this stage of his career.

That is the very definition of someone who is overrated.

So, Marvin didn't beat former WW's as easy as what GG did with Kell.

And?

Is Kell a better MW than what Duran and Ray were?

Was De La Hoya a better MW than what Duran and Ray were?


Do you understand that not all of the WW's that Marvin, Bernard and GG beat, were all the same?

do you understand you idiot?

There's only one idiot around here chief:

"GG would have beaten Roy at MW, on the grounds that Glen Johnson beat him when he was 35 at LHW"

Ha!

Dominance > close fights > losses

Yeah, but again, statistics don't allow for circumstances.

just so we assess the skills. there's no planet in the universe that Roberto Duran doesn't get 1 punched by GGG within 3-4 rounds. Hearns doesn't get blown up within 6.

Which great fighter has GG ever iced with one punch?

Hearns may have got blown out. But then again, he had an 8" reach advantage, a great jab, with awesome power himself. It wouldn't be a given.

Hagler was a limited short range fighter with bad footwork. he followed ploddingly. his ring cutting ability is terrible compared to GGG. GGG has the better long range game better ring cutting ability, is naturally bigger and way more powerful.

Again, I don't think he is way more powerful.

Also, Marvin was a southpaw, and he had a 4-5" reach advantage.

It would have been a great fight.

Let's not pretend that GG is slick and hard to hit clean.

[HeadShots]

Glen Johnson is older than Roy with 6 more losses than roy.

if you are going to use the shopworn excuse, it applies to Johnson more than it applies to roy who only had 1 loss you idiot.

Johnson is also older than Roy. just LMAO how many times are you going to argue the same points?


This is like when Holyfield fought Tyson. it has nothing to do with age and damage... holyfield is older and got a lot more damage thru those wars with Bowe.

it had everything to do with style. Roy is an ambush fighter who needs space to operate. when you shove him into a corner, he's toast. he's always had this flaw. on top of his absolutely glass chin. he just never fought the seek and destroy fighters that could've chased him down. He ducked Gman like the plague.

roy was only 35. same age as GGG (still on top of his game).


it only goes to prove GGG > Roy


heads up.

longevity.

skills.

[robertzimmerman]

Dude please stop talking all of this sense to these guys.... anything short of "Golovkin is the best now, the best there ever was and the best there ever will be" will not compute with these cheerleaders.

It's pure and utter ignorance on their part.

[Madison Boxing]

Glen Johnson is older than Roy with 6 more losses than roy.

if you are going to use the shopworn excuse, it applies to Johnson more than it applies to roy who only had 1 loss you idiot.

Johnson is also older than Roy. just LMAO how many times are you going to argue the same points?


This is like when Holyfield fought Tyson. it has nothing to do with age and damage... holyfield is older and got a lot more damage thru those wars with Bowe.

it had everything to do with style. Roy is an ambush fighter who needs space to operate. when you shove him into a corner, he's toast. he's always had this flaw. on top of his absolutely glass chin. he just never fought the seek and destroy fighters that could've chased him down. He ducked Gman like the plague.

roy was only 35. same age as GGG (still on top of his game).


it only goes to prove GGG > Roy


heads up.

longevity.

skills.

mate i'd give up arguing with them, i cant be bothered to respond to their points anymore. Its just nonsensical rubbish they are talking, these guys think someone who is 27-12 beats golovkin, thats what you are dealing with. They cant be reasoned with. They pluck the names of fighters who will beat golovkin out of their arse, and try and justify it with the most ****** reasons. Just a sad jealous bunch really, get their kicks from discrediting someones achievements, how tragic.

[robertzimmerman]

How old is Anthony Joshua? How long has he dominated HW?


GGG is 34 yrs old, unbeaten and one of the longest reigning MW champs in history.



That is the point.




There is no blue print to beating him. Period.

It's the same principle.

My analogy is to highlight what poor logic you have used.


Yes, GG is unbeaten.

But he hasn't beaten any great fighters (through no fault of his own, because you need the opportunity) and you can't just scoff at claims that the likes of Roy would have beaten him, just because he lost and GG hasn't.

That's what you're doing.

It's ignorant.


When someone mentions Nunn, you don't think about how a fight may have played out, you instead go straight on to boxrec to try and find something that discredits the theory.

You are an awful poster.

You don't know/care that Nunn was a slick southpaw with a huge reach advantage, you're only concern was that he was beaten by Steve Little.

Again, look at what you've done with Eubank. You have completely dismissed him as any form of a threat because he lost to Collins.

That's no way to debate.


You are the kind of person who makes people hate on GG.

You make things hard work for posters like me.

If you were to read my previous posts, you'd see where I've argued with the guys who hate him because of the hype. You'll see where I've tried to reason with them using logic. But I have to fight them hard because of nuts like you.


Start being more objective and be willing to read other people's logical opinions.

I guarantee you, you will enjoy your time here a lot more.

[robertzimmerman]

i love how you guys are trying to complicate it all and make excuses for fighters losing to bums. I expect if wade or someone beat golovkin you would have all been on here defending 'styles make fights doe' 'he had an off night doe' 'just cause wade beat him doesnt mean ward would, different nights different fights' lol. LIke **** you would, you would all spunk your pant, be wagging your fingers and telling everyone 'GGG was exposed' 'GGG was never any good'. And you twats moaning about boxrec, you ask for facts from us, we give you facts and then you moan. you are a bunch of sad little haters. Well youve got a few years left of hating cause he isnt losing any time soon!!!

Nobody cares what you think.

You are completely insignificant.


In the last week, you have said:

"Joe Calzaghe never came close to losing"

"Nobody could ever have beaten Joe Calzaghe at SMW"

"GG is the hardest punching MW of all time"


You have zero credibility.

You are a laughing stock.

This debate is far too much for you.

You haven't got the intelligence to take part.


Run along.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

cus ur comparing one of the most dominant MW champs of all time against Mugabi. Someone that got KOed in every MW title fight he fought.



i'll answer your ****** ass question as soon as you show me a fight where Hagler boxed behind a jab and whitewashed another championship caliber fighter.

I was comparing Mubagi and the guys Hagler lost to at the beginning of his career. You must not have any reading comprehension skills if you didn't understand that.

To answer your question: Briscoe

Now answer mine for the hundredth time.

[robertzimmerman]

i never said he's the greatest of all time.


i just said he's likely to beat all other MW's of the past. likely. i'm not saying he'll win for sure either.


skill for skill. I see GGG beating up all other MW's heads up. he should be the odds on favorite. the other guys have bad nights and draw or lose. GGG has a bad night and it's TKO 5 broken eye socket.

If you won't even entertain the possibility that the great MW's of the past could have beaten him, then you are essentially saying that he's the greatest MW of all time.

You scoff at every name that's put forward.

How can he be the odds on favourite over some of the greats of the past?

He hasn't beaten anybody for you to have favoured him over the likes of Roy.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

If they are objectively rating Golovkin then they must think Mayweather is the greatest super featherweight, lightweight, lightwelterweight, and welterweight to ever live as well as Marciano being the greatest Heavyweight to ever live.

[robertzimmerman]

aha i havent got the hours in the day to reply to all that nonsense you put directly. and I dont need to say too much to be honest cause headshots is schooling you clowns anyway lol. Keep on thinking that a 27-12 fighter who was never world champ will beat golovkin a 36-0 fighter with 17 title defences, because you guys are so damn logical and knowledgable on boxing im sure that does actually make sense and i must wrong!!

You couldn't refute what I've wrote, if you had a spare ****ing month.


Headshots is schooling us?

Hilarious.


"Eubank couldn't have beaten GG at MW, as he lost to Collins at SMW"

"Roy couldn't have beaten GG at MW, as he lost to Glen Johnson at LHW"


Ha!

Amazing insight there.



We all need to bow down and celebrate his incredible wisdom.