Name a 160 fighter in history that could beat GGG?

[HeadShots]

Duran beat Leonard.

Hearns iced Duran.

Marvin iced Hearns.

Yet Ray beat Marvin.

The same applies to Frazier, Foreman and Ali.

that is the whole point. competitiveness is what gives the illusion of greatness.


If GGG lost to Kell Brook. Kell Brook would be P4P #1 in boxing. Then say Erroll Spence came up and 1 punched Kell Brook. Erroll Spence would be seen as great. Then GGG came back and beat the dogchit out of Erroll Spence.


then wow all 3 get in the HOF. That is the exact pass around in the 70's.



That is sensationlism for phags like you. The fact is, GGG is supposed to absolutely beat the dog chit out of both if he's a great MW champ. Hagler is an overrated middleweight. Period. He's supposed to be like Bernard HOpkins and GGG who don't have close fights with WW's and finish them. not get into close decisions and losses with them.



do you understand you idiot?


Dominance > close fights > losses









just so we assess the skills. there's no planet in the universe that Roberto Duran doesn't get 1 punched by GGG within 3-4 rounds. Hearns doesn't get blown up within 6.


Hagler was a limited short range fighter with bad footwork. he followed ploddingly. his ring cutting ability is terrible compared to GGG. GGG has the better long range game better ring cutting ability, is naturally bigger and way more powerful.

[NaijaD]

They're not tantrums, it's frustration at your complete ignorance.

I'm a GG fan myself.

Now it's more than possible that he could have beaten every guy that's been mentioned on this thread. But it's also more than possible that some of those guys would have beaten him. But instead of looking objectively, you use boxrec stats.

GG could have knocked Nunn out. It was possible. But don't claim that Nunn couldn't have beaten GG, because Littles knocked him out at SMW.

Don't say that Eubank couldn't have beaten him at MW, because he lost to Collins at SMW when he was faded.

Don't say GG would definitely have beaten Roy at MW, because Glen Johnson beat him 10 years later at LHW.

It's a joke.

You have got zero credibility, because instead of looking at the clash of styles, you're only focusing on the defeats of each fighter.


Yes, Marvin had a tough fight with Duran. But Duran wasn't just some average fighter who weighed 135. He was a MW and one of the greatest fighters of all time.

Every knowledgeable fan knows about triangle theories.

If you think GG would beat Marvin, that's cool. But don't say he'd definitely have beaten him because he struggled with Duran.

Duran beat Leonard.

Hearns iced Duran.

Marvin iced Hearns.

Yet Ray beat Marvin.

The same applies to Frazier, Foreman and Ali.


Yes, La Motta was extremely tough and he didn't possess great skills.

And?

It was a clash of styles after Ray had fought over 100 times.

Marcos Maidana is crude with limited ability. Yet he almost beat Floyd in their first fight.

This is why boxing's so intriguing.


How was Marvin a weak champion? On the grounds of having close fights with 2 of the best fighters who've ever lived?


I don't think Ray or Duran would have been bombed out at MW.

And I don't think GG has much more power than Marvin.

He's not icing people like Gerald and Julian did.

He's very powerful, but he's not crushing people.

He hasn't got one punch knockout power.

Dude please stop talking all of this sense to these guys.... anything short of "Golovkin is the best now, the best there ever was and the best there ever will be" will not compute with these cheerleaders.

[robertzimmerman]

actually yes. so basically the fact that Toney has lost to Tiberi is evidence that Toney is beatable in his prime.


There's simply no blueprint to beat GGG in his prime. we are talking about likelihood here and odds.


If Tiberi can beat Toney then GGG could as well. that is perfectly sound logic. you cannot say the same for GGG as he never lost in his prime.


that is pure logic.


you are going by fantasy. like oh if GGG punches Toney can swerve like dis and like dat. but what you don't realize is GGG throws probing shots to set up his power shots. it's not easy to swerve a feint to eat the set up shot. i can talk about that **** too.... but it's much more logical to talk about Toney losing to absolute bums.



also the fact he has admitted to using PED's which makes him an inferior fighter. a cheater that lost to TIberi. if only GGG can dream of that day.

Once again, I'm a big fan of GG's. But as yet, he hasn't done enough to be favoured over some of the greats of the past.


Of course James was beatable in his prime.

Of course GG COULD have beaten him.

But you can't say that it would have been a given, on the grounds of him losing to Tiberi.

Because you'd have to be an absolute fool to completely ignore everyone else who he beat and the clash of styles.

It would be like me saying Anthony Joshua would definitely have beaten Lennox, on the grounds that he was beaten by McCall and Rahman.


You are simplifying things by using boxrec.


Your examples of Eubank and Nunn were awful, and now everyone knows that you don't know anything about those fighters.


You are completely biased, and you aren't willing to engage anyone in an objective debate.

[HeadShots]

Once again, I'm a big fan of GG's. But as yet, he hasn't done enough to be favoured over some of the greats of the past.


Of course James was beatable in his prime.

Of course GG COULD have beaten him.

But you can't say that it would have been a given, on the grounds of him losing to Tiberi.

Because you'd have to be an absolute fool to completely ignore everyone else who he beat and the clash of styles.

It would be like me saying Anthony Joshua would definitely have beaten Lennox, on the grounds that he was beaten by McCall and Rahman.


You are simplifying things by using boxrec.


Your examples of Eubank and Nunn were awful, and now everyone knows that you don't know anything about those fighters.


You are completely biased, and you aren't willing to engage anyone in an objective debate.

How old is Anthony Joshua? How long has he dominated HW?


GGG is 34 yrs old, unbeaten and one of the longest reigning MW champs in history.



That is the point.




There is no blue print to beating him. Period.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

From HeadShots posts I would have thought GGG was a welterweight if I didn't know better.

HS you ducked my question and are the biggest ***** on here.

[robertzimmerman]

LMAO another emotional breakdown. your estrogen level must be through the roof.


Is this thread about greatness or H2H match-ups? do you know how to not let emotions get the best of you?


i didn't say he was greatest.

greatness is an emotional concept. there's some historically significance to their fights.





however, in a h2h matchups which is what this thread is about. like maybe Marciano is greater than Vitali. but Vitali would hammer his head in H2H.


do you get it you mangina? just LOL

You are basically saying he's the greatest MW of all time, because you won't give any credence to the possibility of any former great beating him.

Every time someone puts forward a name, you disrespectfully dismiss them based on boxrec stats.

[Madison Boxing]

i love how you guys are trying to complicate it all and make excuses for fighters losing to bums. I expect if wade or someone beat golovkin you would have all been on here defending 'styles make fights doe' 'he had an off night doe' 'just cause wade beat him doesnt mean ward would, different nights different fights' lol. LIke **** you would, you would all spunk your pant, be wagging your fingers and telling everyone 'GGG was exposed' 'GGG was never any good'. And you twats moaning about boxrec, you ask for facts from us, we give you facts and then you moan. you are a bunch of sad little haters. Well youve got a few years left of hating cause he isnt losing any time soon!!!

[HeadShots]

You are saying he's the greatest MW of all time, because you won't give any credence to the possibility of any former great beating him.

Every time someone puts forward a name, you disrespectfully dismiss them based on boxrec stats.

i never said he's the greatest of all time.


i just said he's likely to beat all other MW's of the past. likely. i'm not saying he'll win for sure either.


skill for skill. I see GGG beating up all other MW's heads up. he should be the odds on favorite. the other guys have bad nights and draw or lose. GGG has a bad night and it's TKO 5 broken eye socket.

[STREET CLEANER]

i love how you guys are trying to complicate it all and make excuses for fighters losing to bums. I expect if wade or someone beat golovkin you would have all been on here defending 'styles make fights doe' 'he had an off night doe' 'just cause wade beat him doesnt mean ward would, different nights different fights' lol. LIke **** you would, you would all spunk your pant, be wagging your fingers and telling everyone 'GGG was exposed' 'GGG was never any good'. And you twats moaning about boxrec, you ask for facts from us, we give you facts and then you moan. you are a bunch of sad little haters. Well youve got a few years left of hating cause he isnt losing any time soon!!!

Abel, is that you?

[robertzimmerman]

i thought you rated me as a poster on here?

If you're not the same person, you and Headshots are 2 of the worst posters here.