Floyd's Check Hook

[!! Shawn]

I think you're confusing a check hook with a pull counter. You're confusing it with something, that's for sure.

EDIT;
Here you go. Larry's description of the Matador scenario was a good one.

Watch his feet.

[Redd Foxx]

A pull counter? No... Ive been boxing for 15 years... I know the difference.

Floyd has two kinds of check hooks. One of them is a directing traffic hook that he uses to pivot off off, the other when he wants you to think twice about coming in. Its a hook off a shoulder feint.

Notice how he dropped Coralles hands with the feint to open him up for the check hook every time.

Ths set up from the consitent body jabbing.

But feinting is a whole nother level of contemplated strategy to get into. Just understand he sets it up with a feint.

If he didn't everyone would just come in with their hand high and block it.
Floyd was very good at feinting body then coming head.

Has nothing to do with a pull counter...

You're not acting like it.
"Everyone would come in with their hand held high"?? He's doing it off the opponent's attack. Sometimes, it's off their counter. Sometimes not. It's usually during the opponent's forward motion, and that is the entire key to my statement.
Where's does "this is wrong come into play"? Specifically.

[Redd Foxx]

Watch his feet.

Precisely. His moving out of danger exactly supports what I said. You've failed to back up what you said about it being wrong.

[!! Shawn]

You're not acting like it.
"Everyone would come in with their hand held high"?? He's doing it off the opponent's attack. Sometimes, it's off their counter. Sometimes not. It's usually during the opponent's forward motion, and that is the entire key to my statement.
Where's does "this is wrong come into play"? Specifically.

The wong is that you are taking a punch that requires setup and saying it works on its own.

Even if its off a counter, off a feint, its all setup by the body jaby, that gives the opponent a false sense of the punche Floyd wants to throw and how he wants to fight, leading to them coming at him at a differnt way, and with their hands lower, because he is so consistent with the body jab. Which for anyone that hasn't been in the ring, really takes it out of you. Constant stiff jabs to the solar plexus dont feel good at all.

Its probably the most under rated punch in boxing.

My point is a punch needs to be taken in the context in which it is setup. Ya, everyone can throw a check hook. Its not effective like Floyd was with it, if you didn't set it up by conditioning your opponent to alter their defense to adapt to your body jab. And if you watch most of his check hooks, he feints atleast once while his opponent is coming in planting the idea in their head that he is going to go to the body then he comes upstairs instead.

[Redd Foxx]

The wong is that you are taking a punch that requires setup and saying it works on its own.

Even if its off a counter, off a feint, its all setup by the body jaby, that gives the opponent a false sense of the punche Floyd wants to throw and how he wants to fight, leading to them coming at him at a differnt way, and with their hands lower, because he is so consistent with the body jab. Which for anyone that hasn't been in the ring, really takes it out of you. Constant stiff jabs to the solar plexus dont feel good at all.

Its probably the most under rated punch in boxing.

My point is a punch needs to be taken in the context in which it is setup. Ya, everyone can throw a check hook. Its not effective like Floyd was with it, if you didn't set it up by conditioning your opponent to alter their defense to adapt to your body jab. And if you watch most of his check hooks, he feints atleast once while his opponent is coming in planting the idea in their head that he is going to go to the body then he comes upstairs instead.

Now, you are the one who is wrong. I never said there could not be a setup, I said it was a response to an action by an opponent. And, that it was not just thrown without the opening being created, implying that it does not work on it's own. That opponent's action could be provoked by a set-up, or not. You're just trying to be a know-it-all. I'm not a good person to play that game with.

[Dip_Slide]

Umm.... Corralles?

That was the body jab feint then leaping hook combo that got Corrales really confused not the check hook. Floyd would start off with the jab to the body and then feint it by changing levels then going back up top with a right hand or a left hook, these were however offensive moves and not counter punches like the check hook, Floyd timed the feint Hatton always did while going in with a perfect check hook pivot. No level changing was invloved.



Hatton did this dip to the left left hook combo 100 times during the fight and this time (like many other times) Floyd adjusted, took a step back and countered with the perfect check left hook.

[Luilun]

why couldn't any of his victims neutralize it?

They all knew he depends on it to get out. Yet it was rarely countered.

Because the person is coming Forward with Mometum and when you set up the Check hook you're stepping back while pivoting you body to the left to set it up than if you fast enough you whip out from a hands down position which makes it very hard to see

[incredible_22]

I just realized looking at these videos that he would throw with his opponents, maybe with confidence his hand speed was greater and the adjustments he makes defensively. That's why i always felt boxers are more impressive with this demonstration of skill than a war of attrition. Thanks to all posting for your insight to boxing