Two Fights a Year Isn't Enough

[The Big Dunn]

You're wrong. Post a link where I said they should be fighting 3-4 times a year. Again, seems stupid to demand 3-4 times a year when 2 fights a year seems sufficient for this current crop of fighters. It's unrealistic. Fighting once a year is egregious. That's been the gist of my posts.

You are either playing stupid on purpose to deflect or can't read.

You have posted the reason haymon guys do not fight 3-4 times a year is because they are overpaid by Haymon for easy fights.

Are the HBO guys overpaid since they are fighting less than 3 times a year? SHould HBO pay guys less for easy fights to get them to fight more than 2x a year?

[al-Xander]

You are either playing stupid on purpose to deflect or can't read.

You have posted the reason haymon guys do not fight 3-4 times a year is because they are overpaid by Haymon for easy fights.

Are the HBO guys overpaid since they are fighting less than 3 times a year? SHould HBO pay guys less for easy fights to get them to fight more than 2x a year?

All you have to do is prove that I was demanding 3-4 times a year. You can't prove it, eh? You said you were looking at my history. Why can't you point to a single post where I said what you're accusing me of.

[The Big Dunn]

You're dreaming if you expect these new breed of fighters to fight 3-4 times a year when 2x a year is a struggle. This is not going to end until Haymon runs out of money giving away millions of dollars for meaningless fights.

"Yet there are a whole bunch of top fighters aligned with PBC who have only fought once this year who are in need of bouts. They include Daniel Jacobs, Garcia, Thurman, Shawn Porter, Adonis Stevenson, Andre Berto, Jermall Charlo, Jermell Charlo, Julian Williams, Erislandy Lara, Vanes Martirosyan, James DeGale, Badou Jack, Anthony Dirrell, Andre Dirrell, Austin Trout, Adrien Broner, Rances Barthelemy, Gary Russell Jr., John Molina Jr., Dejan Zlaticanin, Jose Pedraza, Edner Cherry and Lee Selby, among others.

Perhaps some of the fighters have fought only once by design but certainly not all of them or even most of them. But when so much of the money that was once there to bankroll PBC cards is gone, it's hard to keep guys busy at their expected purse level.

There are others who have not fought at all this year, including Peter Quillin, Devon Alexander, Lamont Peterson, Jesus Cuellar and Abner Mares."

http://www.espn.com/blog/dan-rafael/...xing-champions

This can't possibly be just a coincidence that most of these fighters are now fighting once or less than twice a year.

All you have to do is prove that I was demanding 3-4 times a year. You can't prove it, eh? You said you were looking at my history. Why can't you point to a single post where I said what you're accusing me of.

why are you asking me to prove something you know I didn't post?

I posted you have said Haymon fighters fight less than 2x a year because they are overpaid.

You have posted the reason haymon guys do not fight 3-4 times a year is because they are overpaid by Haymon for easy fights.

Are the HBO guys overpaid since they are fighting less than 3 times a year? SHould HBO pay guys less for easy fights to get them to fight more than 2x a year?

[The Big Dunn]

Who else are fighting once a year now other than PBC fighters?

Here is where you suggest its only PBC guys that are fighting once a year.

Why haven't you asked about wlad and cotto?

[The Big Dunn]

Nothing can be done about it now till this whole PBC thing disintegrates. The damaging effects of overpaying these fighters for meaningless fights are finally being felt.

Obvious reason why fights are not happening is because everyone is rejecting less than $1 million per fight, fact that most of them suddenly became inactive. It can't possibly be a coincidence.

The sport needs new breed of fighters.

here is where as I said you blame the problem on overpaying is the reason for inactivity.

is this the case with Canelo and GGG?

[The Big Dunn]

Inactivity not only kills the sport, it also makes fighters lose momentum. When fighters stay active they stay sharp and in good shape like the ts mentioned. The big question is, is this self-imposed considering they make $1+ million per fight against nobodies, thus in no rush to fight? Or the system is so f#ckd up that fighting regularly is simply not possible? It could be a catch 22: overypay fighters fighting nobodies, thus staying inactive after won't hurt. Instead of paying them at reasonable amount to keep the system financially healthy, make more fights, thus make them active and demand more fights... It's a mess.

GGG and Canelo are only fighting 2x this year. Is this a problem? Are either over paid?

Maybe HBO should pay GGG less so he canfight a guy like Jacobs. You agree?

Many of them are now fighting once a year. Some didn't even fight this year. So 2 fights a year has become normal. Seems stupid to demand 3-4 fights a year when 2 fights is a huge struggle. Forget it. Two fights a year is okay.

You have posted multiple times that 2 fights isn't enough for a top fighter. In 2016, HBO's 2 biggest stars have only fought 2x each this year. wlad Klitchko and miguel cotto, HBO's #4 and #5 biggest stars (after Kov) haven't fought at all this year. You haven't made one post or thread criticizing this.

Yet, for Haymon guys like Danny Garcia, you complain about them being inactive when they also are fighting 2x in a year while facing the same level of competition. You complain about guys like Thurman that have fought once.

Why the double standard?

You're wrong. I didn't make this thread. If you followed the train of my posts I have been focusing on fighters who are now fighting once a year or approaching that situation. Go back and stop defending the current status unnecessarily. Be a fan. I posted a list of ALL fighters' activity/inactivity.

Again, it seems stupid to demand 3-4 fights a year when 2 fights is a huge struggle. Don't you think so?

Where did I say you made this thread? You have posted about it multiple times in this and other threads, a search of your posts indicates this.

I am not defending anything. I asked you specific questions which you keep avoiding. You attribute not fighting 3-4 times a year to being overpaid by Haymon.

Are the HBO guys overpaid now that they are fighting less than 3 times a year? SHould HBO pay guys less for easy fights to get them to fight more than 2x a year?

You're wrong. Post a link where I said they should be fighting 3-4 times a year. Again, seems stupid to demand 3-4 times a year when 2 fights a year seems sufficient for this current crop of fighters. It's unrealistic. Fighting once a year is egregious. That's been the gist of my posts.

You are either playing stupid on purpose to deflect or can't read.

You have posted the reason haymon guys do not fight 3-4 times a year is because they are overpaid by Haymon for easy fights.

Are the HBO guys overpaid since they are fighting less than 3 times a year? SHould HBO pay guys less for easy fights to get them to fight more than 2x a year?

All you have to do is prove that I was demanding 3-4 times a year. You can't prove it, eh? You said you were looking at my history. Why can't you point to a single post where I said what you're accusing me of.

I see you logged off after getting caught making up what I posted. Ok, I will just leave this to prove I never asked you what you pretended I did.

I also posted where you blamed it solely on haymon guys.

If you grow a pair, feel free to answer the questions.

[al-Xander]

So you intentionally skipped my post, which I posted twice, where I listed all, not only PBC fighters:

Algieri: 2 in 2015, 1 in 2016
Andrade: 2 in 2013, only 1 per year in 2014-2016
Arreola: 2 per year on avg, from 2012 on
Berto: 1 or 2 per year from 2009 on
Bradley: 1 or 2 per year from 2010 on
Broner: Active through 2015, only 1 in 2016
Brook: 2 per year from 2013 on
Canelo: 2 per year from 2012 on
Cunningham: 2 per year from 2013-2015, only 1 in 2016
Andre Dirrell: 1 in 2013, 3 in 2014, 1 in 2015, 1 in 2016
Anthony Dirrell: 1 or 2 per year from 2014 on
Jermell Charlo: 2 in 2015, only 1 in 2016
Jermall Charlo: Active through 2015, only 1 in 2016
Cotto: 1 or 2 per year from 2010-2015, zero in 2016
Crawford: 2 per year in 2015 and 2016
Dawson: 1 or 2 per year from 2008 on
DeGale: 2 in 2015, only 1 in 2016
Donaire: 2 per year in 2013, 2014 & 2016,3 in 2015
Fury: 1 in 2013, 2 per year in 2014 & 2015, zero in 2016
Frampton: 2 per year from 2013 on
D Garcia: 2 per year from 2013-2015, only 1 in 2016
Gamboa: 1 or 2 per year since 2011, zero in 2016
Guerrero: 1 or 2 per year from 2011 on
Jack: 2 in 2015, only 1 in 2016
T Johnson: 2 in 2015, zero in 2016
Khan: 1 or 2 per year from 2012 on
Klitschko: 2 per year from 2013-2015, zero in 2016
Lara: 2 per year from 2013-2015 only 1 in 2016
Lemieux: 2 per year from 2014 on
Lomachenko: 2 per year in 2015 & 2016
Martirosyan: 1 or 2 per year from 2012 on
Mora: 1 or 2 per year from 2010 on
L Ortiz: 2 per year on avg, only 1 in 2016
Pacquiao: 1 or 2 per year from 2012 on
L Peterson: 2 per year from 2009-2015, zero in 2016
Porter: 2 per year in 2014 & 2015, only 1 in 2016
Povetkin: 2 per year from 2011-2015, zero in 2016
Provodnikov: 2 per year from 2012-2015, only 1 in 2016
Quillin: Mixed activity through 2015, zero in 2016
Rosado: 1 or 2 per year from 2014 on
Rigondeaux: 1 or 2 per year from 2013 on
Russell Jr: 1 in 2015,1 in 2016
Santa Cruz: 3 in 2013 & 2015, but only 2 in 2014 & 2016
I Smith: 2 per year on average, from 2009 on
Spence: Active through 2015 but only 2 in 2016
Stevens: Zero in 2015, only 1 in 2016
Stevenson: 2 per year in 2014 & 2015, only 1 in 2016
Stiverne: 1 or 2 per year from 2010 on, zero in 2016
Thurman: 2 per year in 2014& 2015, only 1 in 2016
J Vargas: 2 per year on avg, from 2013 on
J Williams: Active through 2015, only 1 in 2016
Walters: 1 in 2013, 2 per year in 2014-2015, zero in 2016
Wilder: 2 per year in 2014 & 2016, 3 in 2015

http://www.boxingscene.com/daily-bre...garcia--109355

[The Big Dunn]

So you intentionally skipped my post, which I posted twice, where I listed all, not only PBC fighters:

Algieri: 2 in 2015, 1 in 2016
Andrade: 2 in 2013, only 1 per year in 2014-2016
Arreola: 2 per year on avg, from 2012 on
Berto: 1 or 2 per year from 2009 on
Bradley: 1 or 2 per year from 2010 on
Broner: Active through 2015, only 1 in 2016
Brook: 2 per year from 2013 on
Canelo: 2 per year from 2012 on
Cunningham: 2 per year from 2013-2015, only 1 in 2016
Andre Dirrell: 1 in 2013, 3 in 2014, 1 in 2015, 1 in 2016
Anthony Dirrell: 1 or 2 per year from 2014 on
Jermell Charlo: 2 in 2015, only 1 in 2016
Jermall Charlo: Active through 2015, only 1 in 2016
Cotto: 1 or 2 per year from 2010-2015, zero in 2016
Crawford: 2 per year in 2015 and 2016
Dawson: 1 or 2 per year from 2008 on
DeGale: 2 in 2015, only 1 in 2016
Donaire: 2 per year in 2013, 2014 & 2016,3 in 2015
Fury: 1 in 2013, 2 per year in 2014 & 2015, zero in 2016
Frampton: 2 per year from 2013 on
D Garcia: 2 per year from 2013-2015, only 1 in 2016
Gamboa: 1 or 2 per year since 2011, zero in 2016
Guerrero: 1 or 2 per year from 2011 on
Jack: 2 in 2015, only 1 in 2016
T Johnson: 2 in 2015, zero in 2016
Khan: 1 or 2 per year from 2012 on
Klitschko: 2 per year from 2013-2015, zero in 2016
Lara: 2 per year from 2013-2015 only 1 in 2016
Lemieux: 2 per year from 2014 on
Lomachenko: 2 per year in 2015 & 2016
Martirosyan: 1 or 2 per year from 2012 on
Mora: 1 or 2 per year from 2010 on
L Ortiz: 2 per year on avg, only 1 in 2016
Pacquiao: 1 or 2 per year from 2012 on
L Peterson: 2 per year from 2009-2015, zero in 2016
Porter: 2 per year in 2014 & 2015, only 1 in 2016
Povetkin: 2 per year from 2011-2015, zero in 2016
Provodnikov: 2 per year from 2012-2015, only 1 in 2016
Quillin: Mixed activity through 2015, zero in 2016
Rosado: 1 or 2 per year from 2014 on
Rigondeaux: 1 or 2 per year from 2013 on
Russell Jr: 1 in 2015,1 in 2016
Santa Cruz: 3 in 2013 & 2015, but only 2 in 2014 & 2016
I Smith: 2 per year on average, from 2009 on
Spence: Active through 2015 but only 2 in 2016
Stevens: Zero in 2015, only 1 in 2016
Stevenson: 2 per year in 2014 & 2015, only 1 in 2016
Stiverne: 1 or 2 per year from 2010 on, zero in 2016
Thurman: 2 per year in 2014& 2015, only 1 in 2016
J Vargas: 2 per year on avg, from 2013 on
J Williams: Active through 2015, only 1 in 2016
Walters: 1 in 2013, 2 per year in 2014-2015, zero in 2016
Wilder: 2 per year in 2014 & 2016, 3 in 2015

http://www.boxingscene.com/daily-bre...garcia--109355

I didn't skip it, I listed the posts where you posted exactly what I said you posted. I also showed that I never posted what you said I did.

Now that you logged back on, and I have refuted the deflection attempts, are you ever going to answer the questions asked.

Copying someone else's list and claiming it as your own is weak.

[al-Xander]

I didn't skip it, I listed the posts where you posted exactly what I said you posted. I also showed that I never posted what you said I did.

Now that you logged back on, and I have refuted the deflection attempts, are you ever going to answer the questions asked.

Copying someone else's list and claiming it as your own is weak.

If you just stop defending, you'll see where I'm coming from. Be a fan first doe, instead of always defending networks, fighters and personalities. Don't you wanna see fighters stay busy? I don't even know what you're defending.

[The Big Dunn]

If you just stop defending, you'll see where I'm coming from. Be a fan first doe, instead of always defending networks, fighters and personalities. Don't you wanna see fighters stay busy? I don't even know what you're defending.

Asking you about a double standard in your post isn't defending anyone.

I am being a fan 1st. I have a problem with what has gone on in boxing this year and have posted it repeatedly and discussed with a number of posters.

I am asking you, an alleged "boxing fan", why you only cite inactivity problems of fighters from one major promoter/network but not the other?