Comments Thread For: Canelo: This Might've Been My Last Fight at Junior Middleweight

[!! Shawn]

If the plan is to fight GGG in September of next year, this December fight should be against a top 10 guy (maybe Andy Lee?), then in May fight Lemieux. I'd rather GGG-Canelo be in May, but that's wishful thinking

No way they would risk chancing an andy lee right hook. He has upset way too many apple carts. And he has the kind of one punch power where it doesn't matter who you are, how iron your chin is, if he clips you on the button with that punch, the fight is done.

He has pulled back more fights than I can count from nowhere while he was getting battered with that right hook.

[yngwie]

It's funny, i just can't imagine someone like Rocky Graziano saying he needs to grow 5 pounds to fight Sugar Ray Robinson, even when he comes like a lightheavy on fight night.
Isn't all his fault, it's fault of Oscar, crazy if you remember that Oscar fought the best fighters, but probably he knows to much about the business, and knows that in these days if a fighter loses, he is going to be roasted by the fans, even when he losses against the best.
Still, Canelo and his team are looking like liars right now, Dela Hoya was saying that things needs to marinate before going for the fight and out of nowhere, supposedly Golden Boy made an offer to Golovkin's team?, they were saying that Canelo vacated because he was too small and then he says that leaves 154?, Golden Boy got one cash cow, if he losses, Dela Hoya, is in huge troubles, but is unfair that fans pay the price of his bad inversions and Canelo is paying too, because i actually believe he wants the fight.

[!! Shawn]

Yeah, and he'll say, "This fight won't take 11 or 12 years to be made like the May/Pac fight. Smh. Had anybody else noticed how the time frame has gone up? It went from the May/Pac fight waiting 4 to 5 years to like 7 to 8. Lol.

It was basically from right after the Cotto fight that it was seriously demanded.
It people were asking for it after Pacquiao mopped the floor with Oscar. But after he beat down Cotto, it was the only fight people wanted to happen.

So 2009-15, 6 years later than it should have happened. The best time business wise for it to have happened would have probably been 2011 right after Pacquiao beat Margarito.

Thats 2-3 years of build up time, and the world was in a frenzied state wanting the fight.

Pacquiao was still Prime, Floyd was still Prime, it would have been an ATG fight. Its one of the great shames in boxing history that it happened so late.

[Corelone]

Just curious, did you think Floydie got unfair advantages his last dozen or so fights?

I won't argue, but these are only symptoms. The sport is diseased.

[!! Shawn]

It's funny, i just can't imagine someone like Rocky Graziano saying he needs to grow 5 pounds to fight Sugar Ray Robinson, even when he comes like a lightheavy on fight night.
Isn't all his fault, it's fault of Oscar, crazy if you remember that Oscar fought the best fighters, but probably he knows to much about the business, and knows that in these days if a fighter loses, he is going to be roasted by the fans, even when he losses against the best.
Still, Canelo and his team are looking like liars right now, Dela Hoya was saying that things needs to marinate before going for the fight and out of nowhere, supposedly Golden Boy made an offer to Golovkin's team?, they were saying that Canelo vacated because he was too small and then he says that leaves 154?, Golden Boy got one cash cow, if he losses, Dela Hoya, is in huge troubles, but is unfair that fans pay the price of his bad inversions and Canelo is paying too, because i actually believe he wants the fight.

They had Canelo built up special though, where losses dont really impact his ability to sell, because his whole fame has never been, this guy is actually the best fighter in the world, but this guy will always take the most dangerous fight there is win lose or draw.

Oscar should know that is marketable. Thats what made his own career so lucrative. He took on the hard fights, and was able to look competitive in doing so.

He even moved up to middleweight, and got knocked out by the man of the division in hopkins, and then still went on to have the biggest selling PPV of all time with Floyd, (before may-pac).

Same thing with Cotto. He stepped up, took the hard fights, lost some of them, was still a star, because he gave a good accounting of himself, and was always fighting the best.

So protecting Canelo from a loss, not a big deal. If he lost the Cotto fight or the Lara fight, they would have kept on moving like it didn't matter, because frankly it doesn't.

The mexican fanbase doesn't care about losses, they care about their guys taking the hard fights and giving it their all.

Canelo has always given a good accounting of himself in all of his fights, just as long as he can do that, he can continue to be a star.

So unless Oscar is worried that Canelo will take a beating that will cut short his career from GGG (which is a possibility), then there is no reason not to make this fight while its hot.

GGG is getting older, and with his style, he probably isn't going to last much longer. If you watch the kind of sparring Abel has him doing, all of his camps he is sparring light heavyweights and cruiserweights, and putting a lot of mileage on himself in the gym.

Oscar should learn from Bob Arum, who over marinated the Juanma vs Gamboa fight, and Juanma took a prime ending beating from Mtagwa before he could make the fight.

They seem to be trying to wait out GGG's prime, but that's dangerous, if and When GGG loses, the fight loses its appeal.

GGG isn't the kind of super star with a country behind him like Pacquiao was where even if he loses in the interim, it is still a superfight.

[yngwie]

They had Canelo built up special though, where losses dont really impact his ability to sell, because his whole fame has never been, this guy is actually the best fighter in the world, but this guy will always take the most dangerous fight there is win lose or draw.

Oscar should know that is marketable. Thats what made his own career so lucrative. He took on the hard fights, and was able to look competitive in doing so.

He even moved up to middleweight, and got knocked out by the man of the division in hopkins, and then still went on to have the biggest selling PPV of all time with Floyd, (before may-pac).

Same thing with Cotto. He stepped up, took the hard fights, lost some of them, was still a star, because he gave a good accounting of himself, and was always fighting the best.

So protecting Canelo from a loss, not a big deal. If he lost the Cotto fight or the Lara fight, they would have kept on moving like it didn't matter, because frankly it doesn't.

The mexican fanbase doesn't care about losses, they care about their guys taking the hard fights and giving it their all.

Canelo has always given a good accounting of himself in all of his fights, just as long as he can do that, he can continue to be a star.

So unless Oscar is worried that Canelo will take a beating that will cut short his career from GGG (which is a possibility), then there is no reason not to make this fight while its hot.

GGG is getting older, and with his style, he probably isn't going to last much longer. If you watch the kind of sparring Abel has him doing, all of his camps he is sparring light heavyweights and cruiserweights, and putting a lot of mileage on himself in the gym.

Oscar should learn from Bob Arum, who over marinated the Juanma vs Gamboa fight, and Juanma took a prime ending beating from Mtagwa before he could make the fight.

They seem to be trying to wait out GGG's prime, but that's dangerous, if and When GGG loses, the fight loses its appeal.

GGG isn't the kind of super star with a country behind him like Pacquiao was where even if he loses in the interim, it is still a superfight.

More than taking a beating in the hands of Golovkin, is the fact that the boxing fans these days are blinded by Mayweather and all his 0 stuff, Canelo is the only trick in Oscar's bag.

[!! Shawn]

More than taking a beating in the hands of Golovkin, is the fact that the boxing fans these days are blinded by Mayweather and all his 0 stuff, Canelo is the only trick in Oscar's bag.

They are not blinded by the 0. For mayweather it was all about the 0, but look who was also a star during that time. Manny Pacquiao...

Look who has been doing the big numbers since. Miguel Cotto...

If you are a risk averse fighter who isn't in action packed fights, yes, you need to protect that 0. Rigondeaux is barely able to stay relevant with his 0, if he lost, his career would be over.

Canelo, has already lost. 4 of his last 8 fights he either lost, or were debatable as to the outcome, but it doesn't really matter because for the most part he is in good fights with good action, that are entertaining.

The same way it didn't matter when Miguel Cotto lost. He always made it a good fight, and he was always in with the best opponents.

If you do that, losing doesn't matter. For example, Canelo could have lost the Lara fight, and still landed the Cotto fight. Lara wouldn't have landed the Cotto fight.

[yngwie]

They are not blinded by the 0. For mayweather it was all about the 0, but look who was also a star during that time. Manny Pacquiao...

Look who has been doing the big numbers since. Miguel Cotto...

If you are a risk averse fighter who isn't in action packed fights, yes, you need to protect that 0. Rigondeaux is barely able to stay relevant with his 0, if he lost, his career would be over.

Canelo, has already lost. 4 of his last 8 fights he either lost, or were debatable as to the outcome, but it doesn't really matter because for the most part he is in good fights with good action, that are entertaining.

The same way it didn't matter when Miguel Cotto lost. He always made it a good fight, and he was always in with the best opponents.

If you do that, losing doesn't matter. For example, Canelo could have lost the Lara fight, and still landed the Cotto fight. Lara wouldn't have landed the Cotto fight.

They are worried about the 0, look at this forum for example, people roast a fighter every time he losses, Canelo would never lost a decision, he lost against Mayweather because Mayweather was the biggest name and still C.J. Ross tried to rob Mayweather, he wins by wide decisions in close fights because he can't lose in the eyes of his people, you may have a point on the type of fighters that lost and are still stars, but any of those fighters was labelled as the face of boxing besides Manny who is a really special case in almost every aspect in boxing.

[puga]

back to his usual b1tchweight...

[Graz]

ive got a feeling we have many years of these kind of articles on this site. Fast forward to 2019 'de la hoya- the fight will happen in 2020, 100 percent! canelos body needs to get adjusted to 160 first' canelo- 'Noone can force me to fight!'

You said it. I don't think we'll ever see a Canelo/Golovkin fight. Oscar won't endanger his golden boy. He's young now and too much of a cash cow.