The fact that kovalev isn't disliked as GGG shows it's not race related, but resume

[Motorcity Cobra]

But most Mayweather fans are also Ward fans, and vice versa. Do you find that weird too?

I don't, because both are US fighters and both have talked a lot of **** about Golovkin. The talking **** part of that is the reason why GGG fans talk **** about Ward and Floyd.

No I don't find that weird because both of them are two top black fighters. People are going to relate to those who look like them. I'm talking about the people who claim to hate Floyd for his antics outside the ring. But they hate Ward who is religious man, family man, and you never hear about him getting in trouble outside the ring.

[MisterPullman]

No I don't find that weird because both of them are two top black fighters. People are going to relate to those who look like them. I'm talking about the people who claim to hate Floyd for his antics outside the ring. But they hate Ward who is religious man, family man, and you never hear about him getting in trouble outside the ring.

What do both of those fighters have in common hmm lets see here... OH! Borrrrrrriiiinnng

[Motorcity Cobra]

What do both of those fighters have in common hmm lets see here... OH! Borrrrrrriiiinnng

Ok but why would you hate a fighter because he's boring? Don't watch him. To speak about him. Pay no attention to him. And like I said. I'm talking about the same people who claim not to like Floyd because of the things he's done outside the ring. How can you hate Ward when he's been clean outside the ring?

[kafkod]

No I don't find that weird because both of them are two top black fighters. People are going to relate to those who look like them. I'm talking about the people who claim to hate Floyd for his antics outside the ring. But they hate Ward who is religious man, family man, and you never hear about him getting in trouble outside the ring.

Ward looks a lot like his dad, who was white!

He has gotten a lot of stick here, for refusing to rematch Froch and Kessler on their turf, after both travelled for him, the dirty tactics he used against Kessler, and because of the ridiculous choice of opponents for some his tune-up fights, but I don't think Ward is hated, in the same way Floyd was, and still is by many.

[kafkod]

Wicked!

[The Big Dunn]

Fair enough, I'll modify my point: Most Floyd fans will instinctively take Ward's side in any Ward vs GGG debate that happens here. And, to be fair, I'll aknowledge something else: Most GGG fans will instintively take Kovalev's side in any who ducked who debate about Kovalev and Stevenson, and instinctively accuse Wilder of being responsible for his fight with Povetkin being cancelled, depite Povetkin's positive PED test.

To your point about the race baiting white posters - which came first, the chicked or the egg?

I've never posted a racist comment here, ever. But I've been called a racist many times, simply because I'm a GGG fan.

I've also noticed that many fans of "a certain demographic" tend to stereotype all Euro and Eastern-Euro fighters as stiff, straight line brawlers, or robots, and many fans of "a certain other demographic" tend to stereotype all Afro-American fighters as runners and spoilers.

In my opinion, this isn't happening because of out-right racism from either "demographic", but because of each side reacting to **** being thrown by the other.

As to paragraph 1:

defending a fighter who is unfairly racially attacked is not Floyd fans instinctively taking Ward's side. It's simply calling out race baiting white posters when they lump all of them together unfairly.

A number of GGG/Kov fans only got there after Manny lost to Floyd. They make those points because , as I have pointed out, the strategy has always been to "put all of them in the same box".

As to you egg question? I already said to you things may be unfair. that said, look at your post.

whether consciously or unconsciously you called us "ward/floyd fans". that is the same thing the race baiters do. Did you ask if he was a Ward and a Floyd fan or did you assume it because you saw a defense against unfair race baiting attacks?

as to eastern european stereotypes You are repeating an narrative that the race baiters use to defend what they do. While some people (and my guess is its non black posters posing as black posters like Tyrone Biggums) do this, the overwhelming majority of black posters do not.

WHere has loma, GGG, Kov, and wlad all been called the same thing?

As to your last point, yes a lot of it is **** being thrown at each other, As I've been saying thats my beef with stopping it now that its GGG getting shit thrown at him.

At some point, we have to be honest about where all this stuff started if we truly want to put an end to it and clean NSB up.

[kafkod]

As to paragraph 1:

defending a fighter who is unfairly racially attacked is not Floyd fans instinctively taking Ward's side. It's simply calling out race baiting white posters when they lump all of them together unfairly.

A number of GGG/Kov fans only got there after Manny lost to Floyd. They make those points because , as I have pointed out, the strategy has always been to "put all of them in the same box".

As to you egg question? I already said to you things may be unfair. that said, look at your post.

whether consciously or unconsciously you called us "ward/floyd fans". that is the same thing the race baiters do. Did you ask if he was a Ward and a Floyd fan or did you assume it because you saw a defense against unfair race baiting attacks?

as to eastern european stereotypes You are repeating an narrative that the race baiters use to defend what they do. While some people (and my guess is its non black posters posing as black posters like Tyrone Biggums) do this, the overwhelming majority of black posters do not.

WHere has loma, GGG, Kov, and wlad all been called the same thing?

As to your last point, yes a lot of it is **** being thrown at each other, As I've been saying thats my beef with stopping it now that its GGG getting shit thrown at him.

At some point, we have to be honest about where all this stuff started if we truly want to put an end to it and clean NSB up.

I don't just make assumptions about this or that member supporting both Ward and Floyd here, I read what they say in their posts, see a certain pattern displayed there, and base my opinion on that. But I wouldn't consider a poster to be racist, or a "GGG hater" simply because they like both Floyd and Ward as fighters.

The GGG hate is unreasonable and it does nothing positive for this forum, so it needs to stop. Ward has now signed to fight Kovalev, which I didn't think he was going to do. So credit and respect to him for that and the "Ward hate" needs to stop too.

I still don't think GGG ducked him doe!

[The Big Dunn]

I don't just make assumptions about this or that member supporting both Ward and Floyd here, I read what they say in their posts, see a certain pattern displayed there, and base my opinion on that. But I wouldn't consider a poster to be racist, or a "GGG hater" simply because they like both Floyd and Ward as fighters.

The GGG hate is unreasonable and it does nothing positive for this forum, so it needs to stop. Ward has now signed to fight Kovalev, which I didn't think he was going to do. So credit and respect to him for that and the "Ward hate" needs to stop too.

I still don't think GGG ducked him doe!

your join date is Sept 2013. I don't know if you read threads alot before joining but its nothing compared to the hate Floyd got. Granted, he hasn't beaten his wife and hasn't had to act a certain way to get a push from HBO, so I can understand why reasonable people don't get on him as much.

Most of the debate about GGG is his resume. His fans wanting to only talk about him being ducked while others want to talk about what he does after he is ducked. His fans want only to talk about the positives while other want to talk about both positives and negatives.

I don't see what is wrong with that, so long as his positives and negatives do not include his color.

[kafkod]

your join date is Sept 2013. I don't know if you read threads alot before joining but its nothing compared to the hate Floyd got. Granted, he hasn't beaten his wife and hasn't had to act a certain way to get a push from HBO, so I can understand why reasonable people don't get on him as much.

Most of the debate about GGG is his resume. His fans wanting to only talk about him being ducked while others want to talk about what he does after he is ducked. His fans want only to talk about the positives while other want to talk about both positives and negatives.

I don't see what is wrong with that, so long as his positives and negatives do not include his color.

Well, we can agree on that at least.

I was a "ghost" at this forum for 5/6 years before I signed up, but I just used to read the articles to pick up news and didn't even bother looking at any of the comments threads.

Sometimes, I wish I'd stuck to that policy.

[The Big Dunn]

Well, we can agree on that at least.

I was a "ghost" at this forum for 5/6 years before I signed up, but I just used to read the articles to pick up news and didn't even bother looking at any of the comments threads.

Sometimes, I wish I'd stuck to that policy.

LOL. I did same for like 2 years before I officially joined.