Lennox good but not great!

**MetalVomit** · 02-04-2005, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by scap

Sure Lennox is a very good heavyweight champion but look at his body of work...what good or great fighter has he beaten that was in their respected primes?

Holyfiled was no where near his prime and LL in a lot of peoples minds lost the second fight. Tyson was so far gone it is not even worth mentioning.

Maybe Ray Mercer was in his prime but he was probably at the very end of it and I for one think Lennox lost that fight.

Did he beat Rock in his prime...yeah I guess he did but the best Rahman I saw was the younger Rock the one that fought Tua the first time in the 220's.

One victory that was huge for Lewis was his win over Razor Ruddock but was Ruddock first off any good? And secondly was he in his prime?
Ruddock at the time was in the middle of changing styles and trainers and looked very ackward in the ring, the Ruddock that Lewis fought was different then the one Tyson fought.

Golota? This was a big victory for Lewis as well, I personally thought that Lewis was in real trouble but he easily beat the polish ******...does this count...I don't think so but maybe you do?

Lewis has been around a long time and he was fighting as a serious contender when Holyfiled was in his prime, Tyson was still a very formidable foe when Lewis was whacking guys out of there and of course the mythical matchup that never came to fruition being the fight with Bowe...

So I ask all of the members of boxincscene to come up with an argument that puts Lewis in a better light than the one that I portray...too me VK is in his prime and if he were to come back and ko VK that woould be the only guy woth mentioning on LL's resume that he beat in his prime.

Lennox Lewis, certainly a good heavyweight Champ, but in Holyfield's class...no ****ing way!

Prime vs. Prime, Holyfield beats the dog**** out of lewis, but you cant deny lewis' dominance.

**tri4ben2** · 02-04-2005, 07:36 PM

I am a Lewis hater, but I can appriciate what he accomplished as a boxer.

A good case could be made that he is the best heavyweight all time in terms of winning rounds and doing what it takes to win.

He is defiantely not as exciting as Holyfeild, and didn't show as much heart, But at a prime of 6'5 240-245 he has the size and strengh to win a 12 round decision agaist every other all time great.

**Warrior Spirit** · 02-04-2005, 07:38 PM

Lewis is an all time great!! He beat every man he ever fought and retired as champion.

**marvdave** · 02-04-2005, 07:47 PM

I think Lewis deserves top 10-12 all time. His skills are unquestioned. Maybe his lazy attitude costs him a little. I think Lewis should be given credit for the Holyfield victory. Holyfield prime had trouble with 42 yr old Foreman and Holmes. Almost ko'd by Cooper. He was beaten by Moorer and Bowe before his carrer defining fight vs Tyson. He might not have been prime against Lewis, but he wasn't far from it. It think it's a good debate, but Holyfield will get the nod most of the time becuase he is beloved by most and Lewis is a love him or hate guy. If both in "prime" The question is whether Holy's determination and heart would be enough to overtake Lewis' obvious physical advantages. Against Bowe in their first fight, his heart wasn't enough. I'll take Lewis

**The Fix** · 02-04-2005, 07:57 PM

lewis is top 10 in the 7-10 spot. he defeated everyone he has ever fought and dominated the heavyweight division for a great part of the 90's and early 00's.

**AintGottaClue** · 02-04-2005, 08:07 PM

lewis in the top 10 wtf? no way

**Sir_Jose** · 02-04-2005, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by scap

Sure Lennox is a very good heavyweight champion but look at his body of work...what good or great fighter has he beaten that was in their respected primes?

Holyfiled was no where near his prime and LL in a lot of peoples minds lost the second fight. Tyson was so far gone it is not even worth mentioning.

Maybe Ray Mercer was in his prime but he was probably at the very end of it and I for one think Lennox lost that fight.

Did he beat Rock in his prime...yeah I guess he did but the best Rahman I saw was the younger Rock the one that fought Tua the first time in the 220's.

One victory that was huge for Lewis was his win over Razor Ruddock but was Ruddock first off any good? And secondly was he in his prime?
Ruddock at the time was in the middle of changing styles and trainers and looked very ackward in the ring, the Ruddock that Lewis fought was different then the one Tyson fought.

Golota? This was a big victory for Lewis as well, I personally thought that Lewis was in real trouble but he easily beat the polish ******...does this count...I don't think so but maybe you do?

Lewis has been around a long time and he was fighting as a serious contender when Holyfiled was in his prime, Tyson was still a very formidable foe when Lewis was whacking guys out of there and of course the mythical matchup that never came to fruition being the fight with Bowe...

So I ask all of the members of boxincscene to come up with an argument that puts Lewis in a better light than the one that I portray...too me VK is in his prime and if he were to come back and ko VK that woould be the only guy woth mentioning on LL's resume that he beat in his prime.

Lennox Lewis, certainly a good heavyweight Champ, but in Holyfield's class...no ****ing way!

*rolleyes*

Yup no agenda here.

**joeboxer** · 02-04-2005, 08:31 PM

When you think of a great champion, the first thing that normally pops into mind is an image of them beating the crap out of someone. With Ali I see him standing over Liston, With holyfield I see him going to war with Bowe, with Lewis I know he put the beating on some people but I just see him flat on his back, twice.

**Neuraxis** · 02-04-2005, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by scap

Sure Lennox is a very good heavyweight champion but look at his body of work...what good or great fighter has he beaten that was in their respected primes?

Holyfiled was no where near his prime and LL in a lot of peoples minds lost the second fight. Tyson was so far gone it is not even worth mentioning.

Maybe Ray Mercer was in his prime but he was probably at the very end of it and I for one think Lennox lost that fight.

Did he beat Rock in his prime...yeah I guess he did but the best Rahman I saw was the younger Rock the one that fought Tua the first time in the 220's.

One victory that was huge for Lewis was his win over Razor Ruddock but was Ruddock first off any good? And secondly was he in his prime?
Ruddock at the time was in the middle of changing styles and trainers and looked very ackward in the ring, the Ruddock that Lewis fought was different then the one Tyson fought.

Golota? This was a big victory for Lewis as well, I personally thought that Lewis was in real trouble but he easily beat the polish ******...does this count...I don't think so but maybe you do?

Lewis has been around a long time and he was fighting as a serious contender when Holyfiled was in his prime, Tyson was still a very formidable foe when Lewis was whacking guys out of there and of course the mythical matchup that never came to fruition being the fight with Bowe...

So I ask all of the members of boxincscene to come up with an argument that puts Lewis in a better light than the one that I portray...too me VK is in his prime and if he were to come back and ko VK that woould be the only guy woth mentioning on LL's resume that he beat in his prime.

Lennox Lewis, certainly a good heavyweight Champ, but in Holyfield's class...no ****ing way!

There is no way that Lewis lost the rematch to Holyfield.

Lennox good but not great!