People are underrating Fury's skills

[Tom Cruise]

Louis was 6'2 with shorter arms than Wlad ,hes not countering anything unless Fury slips up . .

Frazie trying to beat up Fury would look like Pacman trying to beat up Roy Jones .

Im not a Fury fan ,im a realist you guys simply want to give the past time top guys super powers they wouldn't have today and overate them in general.

Because shorter arm fighters cant land counters

Louis' control of range and timing negates whatever reach advantage Fury has. Fury falls forward behind almost every punch he throws, he squares up, he doesnt keep his hands in good defensive positions when punching. Seriously. Louis just needs to time Fury's attacks take a small step back and Fury would be wide open.

If Wlad knew how to throw even basic counters he would have sparked Fury, but that has always been a huge hole Wlads game. He never really had to counter against the opposition he was fighting.

[just the facts]

Chiming in.

Hey British brother! Somehow I thought you'd be here. As usual, on this subject we'll have to agree to disagree.

[TheBoxingXpert]

You're finally coming around!

My prediction rate is still 100%.

[Tom Cruise]

Waiting for BUM excuses.

So difficult to time though

[juggernaut666]

Fury is 6'9 and can move around and use his jab, who the hell is really catching him? People act like height and reaches don't matter when it comes to fighting a 6'9 guy.

To the guy above, Mike Tyson is 5'10 and wouldn't even be able to touch Fury. M Tyson lost to Lewis, Holyfield twice, Douglas, McBride (doesn't really matter but still), all those guys are 6 foot something, he had trouble with taller guys later in his career once people studied him, he had no answer for Lennox.

Mike Tyson was great but he lost to anybody that knew how to move and control the distance between them, and that's exactly what Fury does.

Fury would beat 2000 Tyson ,not 1980's Tyson for sure he hsd to much speed /power and was a defensive master ,he lost only 10 rounds out of 130 under Rooney , Tyson Fury would have to clinch for dear life like Bone crusher Smith did who should have been disqualified bc he actually didnt start throwing punches till the 7th rnd and still clinched more than throw down.

[deathofaclown]

I think it's very hard and almost impossible to judge a current heavyweight v one from 30+ years ago.

It's a totally different game now where your average heavyweight seems to be 6'5" and 250lbs+ or so. David Haye is considered a very small HW and he's 6'3" and 225lbs. Back in the day that might have been considered an average-fairly big and tall heavyweight.

[Tom Cruise]

Yeah you're right. He's ****. Just a lucky guy. It's not cause Fury took the Wlad fight serious that Wlad couldn't do this, and that he never used to take training or fights seriously...

Wlad hasnt thrown a counter punch his whole career.

The holes are still there trust me.

If Joshua keeps developing his counter punching he will likely knock Fury out. Difficult to tell where he is at at the moment due to opposition level

[juggernaut666]

Because shorter arm fighters cant land counters

Louis' control of range and timing negates whatever reach advantage Fury has. Fury falls forward behind almost every punch he throws, he squares up, he doesnt keep his hands in good defensive positions when punching. Seriously. Louis just needs to time Fury's attacks take a small step back and Fury would be wide open.

If Wlad knew how to throw even basic counters he would have sparked Fury, but that has always been a huge hole Wlads game. He never really had to counter against the opposition he was fighting.

Yes being smaller vs a giant would make it more difficult in Louis stationary stance , Fury would have to run into something and has before but a smart Fury would almost always win . Louis was the better technical puncher but it means little here , if we are comparing who was knocked out cold maybe you missed those fights?

[Tom Cruise]

Yes being smaller vs a giant would make it more difficult in Louis stationary stance , Fury would have to run into something and has before but a smart Fury would almost always win . Louis was the better technical puncher but it means little here , if we are comparing who was knocked out cold maybe you missed those fights?

You call Louis stationary but he almost always in position to land big shots. Only Conn (in terms of outside fighters) really took that away from him for significant periods and he was KO'd twice. Carnera had an 85 inch reach and tried to keep Louis at the end of his jab, he got slaughtered for his troubles. By counters no less. Now, Carnera was ****, we know this. But it shows what a significant skill, timing and technique advantage can do to a reach advantage.

Fury has only had one world level fight against a guy whose style was absolutely nailed on perfect for him, and he still hardly set the world alight with the performance. Lets see how he looks going forward, though im not sold at all on the likes of Wilder, Parker or Joshua yet if we are talking all time talent.

Joshua looks the best to me, at least, he has the biggest room to improve, and most potential to do so. I think if Joshua can get at least a fight or two vs top 10 opp before fighting Fury then he probably beats him, and i suspect on a ko too.

[boxinghead530]

Furys size trumps his skills but his size is real so you have to include it into the equation when determining how difficult it is to defeat him . Its really not who he can beat but who can beat him and theres not many .

Some top past guys compared to Fury .........

1 / Muhammed Ali ..... needed the jab to set up everything and Fury fights in similar manner , people wont like it but lets be real . Fury has an 85 inch reach and is 6'9 ,Ali is not a power puncher either so thats a MAJOR strike with someone like Fury bc hes constantly movingand certainly wont be throwing haye maker rights under Fury bc he didnt punch like that . Ali doesnt fight good going forward ,and Fury would fustrate him to no end dictating how the fight is fought . Fury switches to southpaw also ,if Ali struggled with 6'1 190 Mildenberger who he states was his toughest fight in the 60's hes goinfg to struggle here with a southpaw whos twice as big and fast . Fury comfortably out boxes Ali and wins at least 85 % of the time .

2/ Joe Louis ........ No slow footed guy under 6'3 is going to get to Fury unless he stands flat footed and stationary . Louis would not be able to time Fury bc Fury does not fight in patterns or stay directly in front of you like those past timers who were much easily hit and certainly werent giants ,guys like 5'9 Gallento were able to knock Louis down and many guys didnt utilise a jab for the most part ,guys like Godoy and Conn did and gave Louis fits , Godoy actually won the first fight as did Walcott and Conn showed potentially what a bigger fighter would have done with good fundamentals bc Louis outsized Conn by about 30 pounds . Louis was also knocked out of the ring by Buddy Baer who didnt know what jab was and hes physically the closest thing to a big guy that Louis fought resembling Fury . I give Fury about a 90% chance of winning .

3 / Joe Frazier ........ Simple just watch the Mathis fight and Frazier losing by rnd 7 to the much larger boxer at 6'4 , A better in shape Fury who is not as skilled as Mathis still makes it nearly impossible for Frazier to hit him 6'9 vs 5'11 guy who needed to grind you down and Fury would put all his weight on the 205 Frazier ,i think he would k.o Frazier bc Frazier is not the hardest guy to hit and would catch him with one of those sneaky upper cuts ,while Frazier would missby miles as he plants his feet punching upward . Fury has about a 95 % chance winning this fight .


4/ Larry Holmes .... Similar to the Ali fight with the exception Holmes is harder to hit cleany as most will disagree with ,its true and he had a sharper stiffer accurate jab than Ali had so that in itself gives Holmes a better shot here . This is actually an interesting fight between ,both guys hit about the same , Holmes has more snap and Fury has more looks and is more fluid to the stiff up right Holmes . I believe Fury can confuse Holmes enough to get a decision win and still dictate distance with the crafty Holmes . Fury has a 80% chance winning this fight .

5/ Evander Holyfield ........ A decent puncer with speed and accuracy and is great at counter punching defensively or offensively certainly has a chance to get at Fury ,IF he doesnt get flustered with Fury jabs and long jabs seem to have give some difficulty in the past . Holyfield has the right footwork as well and at his best is a danger to anyone . Holyfield is by far the better fighter here with talent Fury cant duplicate but his inconsistencies from the Bowe fights to the Lewis ones those fights in between leave me to believe Fury will beat out the much smaller Holyfield more than not . Fury has a 65 % chance to win.

Fighters who i would pick to beat Fury in no order and without going into detail jus5t bc they have the power ,skill, attributes and some style to defeat him below .



Lennox Lewis
Mike Tyson
Vitali Klitchko
Wlad Klitchko
Razor Ruddock
Tommy Morrison
Anthony Joshua


Fury is hard to gauge bc he really hasnt fought anyone (No im not counting a dead Wlad until the rematch ) but one should still see his skills and understand the guy is no walk over if you know your boxing . Even if he loses to Wlad would not effect what i posted , if he loses it will be to power punchers who most likely are over or around 240 pounds , i dont really see any pure boxer beating him , you need to reach him and hit him hard thats how you beat Fury . At the end of the day he is 250 plus and when you get hit enough by a giant swinging down on you you are going to lose and likely knocked out.

I didn't read your post completely because you are throwing around the names these all time great fighters who are some of the best p4p fighters in the history of boxing when comparing fury.

But are you insinuating that he'd beat these guys, Ali, Holmes, Louis, Holyfield, etc?