Comments Thread For: Chocolatito Goes for Four: How Does His Pursuit Weigh Up?

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At the end of their careers, Hopkins moving up 15lbs to fight the Ring champ at LHW will be more impressive than any one win on RG's resume. Unless RG beats Rigondeaux

Just like people are ignoring body weight percentage as you say, from weigh in weight, people hyping body percentage are also ignoring that a lot of these guys kill themselves to make weight and for the most part they all weigh similarly on fight night at 120s.

I remember one fight RG was 111 at the scales and 122 in the ring, and in another fight (Sosa) 124lbs. For reference, Rigondeaux is a 122 fighter and comes in at 124-125lbs. Meaning these two can fight if the other one had more balls, just like people say for Canelo vs GGG

Your point is? dont most Boxers rehydrate to other weights? even the welterweights come in as middleweights? and using Hopkins to degrade Chocolatitos accomplishments? the fact you got to reach way up the ATG list to do that speaks to how great RG is currently doing...and still has time to grow in his prime......and bringing up Rigo? OMG fam....this old head will be what? 40 next week? whats with this obsession you guys got with Rigo? it imply s that maybe you dont follow 118...and who is a challenge for RG up there.

[soul_survivor]

Exactly, Gonzalez best name would be Cuadras, Estrada in 108 pounds is not a great win, is like beat GGG in 155 pounds.

The rest are b class champions or old fighters: Yaegashi, Niida, Sosa with 60 years old, Viloria with 36, etc.

Most of them with feather hands: Niida, Yaegashi, Estrada in skeleton mode for down to 108 pounds, Sosa, etc.

Lol I dunno about that

But I agree with the rest of your post.

It's nice to break down the increase in body weight but no matter how much math and science is used to explain RG's run, most people will not care about 3lb increments. People are increasingly becoming more impressed at the multiple weight jumps like Brook vs Golovkin, Pac vs DLH, Guerrero vs Aydin, Canelo vs Khan because these are the jumps that are more reminiscent to the older weight class system where from 147 you had to move up to 160, from 135 you go to 147, 126 to 135 etc. No one cares about 3lb increases from 40lbs to 43lbs, to 46lbs to 49lbs regardless if it's a jump of 1% or 50% or 100% in body weight. They're pretty much the same size on fight night, they just choose a smaller weight class to make. If RG wants to turn heads he has to make a huge jump to 122 right now and fight Rigondeaux, win or lose he will turn heads and have as much mainstream support as he will ever see in his career

At the end of their careers, Hopkins moving up 15lbs to fight the Ring champ at LHW will be more impressive than any one win on RG's resume. Unless RG beats Rigondeaux

Just like people are ignoring body weight percentage as you say, from weigh in weight, people hyping body percentage are also ignoring that a lot of these guys kill themselves to make weight and for the most part they all weigh similarly on fight night at 120s.

I remember one fight RG was 111 at the scales and 122 in the ring, and in another fight (Sosa) 124lbs. For reference, Rigondeaux is a 122 fighter and comes in at 124-125lbs. Meaning these two can fight if the other one had more balls, just like people say for Canelo vs GGG

pretty much spot on

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I like to point out Bernard Hopkins increase in weight 160-175 = 9.375 Oh look Roman Gonzalez from 105-115 is 9.523809523809524 !!! well I guess Im just a boxing Hipster for learning something.

[DreamerUSA]

It's nice to break down the increase in body weight but no matter how much math and science is used to explain RG's run, most people will not care about 3lb increments. People are increasingly becoming more impressed at the multiple weight jumps like Brook vs Golovkin, Pac vs DLH, Guerrero vs Aydin, Canelo vs Khan because these are the jumps that are more reminiscent to the older weight class system where from 147 you had to move up to 160, from 135 you go to 147, 126 to 135 etc. No one cares about 3lb increases from 40lbs to 43lbs, to 46lbs to 49lbs regardless if it's a jump of 1% or 50% or 100% in body weight. They're pretty much the same size on fight night, they just choose a smaller weight class to make. If RG wants to turn heads he has to make a huge jump to 122 right now and fight Rigondeaux, win or lose he will turn heads and have as much mainstream support as he will ever see in his career

Beating Inoue or Yamanaka gets him a ton of credit. He also has a potential rematch with Estrada and is fighting Cuadras this weekend. Why the **** would he jump all the way to 122 when he has three potential fights with guys that are either in the top 10 p4p or are right there knocking on the door?

As for crunching weight, as much as I hate it, almost everyone does it. I could probably count on one hand the amount of top guys that could actually make the weight for their current weight class if we had same day weigh ins.

[-Kev-]

Just saying, I know you don't want to hear this, but Gonzalez was 126lbs vs Arroyo, and this is also Rigondeaux's weight on fight night. Just pointing out the fight would, in literal terms, be an actual "match" in every sense of the word. What's the obsession with Rigondeaux? Forget Rigondeaux then, Quigg an Donaire are up there too

I'm saying, you want recognition, beat someone recognizable, do something memorable. Weighing in at 111lbs and coming into the ring at 126lbs, a fight night weight that BW's and Jr-FW's are weighing on fight night, shows those are the guys you should be fighting. A 15lb gain in weight on fight night means you are too big for your weight class

And yes others do it, but the same applies to them too

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Just saying, I know you don't want to hear this, but Gonzalez was 126lbs vs Arroyo, and this is also Rigondeaux's weight on fight night. Just pointing out the fight would, in literal terms, be an actual "match" in every sense of the word. What's the obsession with Rigondeaux? Forget Rigondeaux then, Quigg an Donaire are up there too

I'm saying, you want recognition, beat someone recognizable, do something memorable. Weighing in at 111lbs and coming into the ring at 126lbs, a fight night weight that BW's and Jr-FW's are weighing on fight night, shows those are the guys you should be fighting. A 15lb gain in weight on fight night means you are too big for your weight class

And yes others do it, but the same applies to them too

Funny that in your example Hopkins only had to jump one weight class just above him nobody would suggest for him to skip 175 and go for cruiserweight yet RG has not even beat a contender @ 115 or champion but he should skip 118 and jump up to fight @ 126?! what are you smoking? I just don't understand people are outraged that Khan and Brook are jumping to middleweight but in this thread it gets props? why the double standards for Roman?

[Mexican_Puppet]

Just saying, I know you don't want to hear this, but Gonzalez was 126lbs vs Arroyo, and this is also Rigondeaux's weight on fight night. Just pointing out the fight would, in literal terms, be an actual "match" in every sense of the word. What's the obsession with Rigondeaux? Forget Rigondeaux then, Quigg an Donaire are up there too

I'm saying, you want recognition, beat someone recognizable, do something memorable. Weighing in at 111lbs and coming into the ring at 126lbs, a fight night weight that BW's and Jr-FW's are weighing on fight night, shows those are the guys you should be fighting. A 15lb gain in weight on fight night means you are too big for your weight class

And yes others do it, but the same applies to them too

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Amigo, are you calling Gallito Estrada to fight Rigo? Ok then.

[Mexican_Puppet]

Amigo, are you calling Gallito Estrada to fight Rigo? Ok then.

It's possible, man, why not? Do you know that Rigo fought in 112 and 115 when he was young?

He is not a natural 122, but now he is in his limit.

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It's possible, man, why not? Do you know that Rigo fought in 112 and 115 when he was young?

He is not a natural 122, but now he is in his limit.

So is that a yes? you should start a thread about little Gallito he needs his own lane because you RG haters come to Chocolatito threads to bring attention to Estrada.