Comments Thread For: Chocolatito Goes for Four: How Does His Pursuit Weigh Up?

[soul_survivor]

Heard this arguement repeated this week however by the time you beat a ATG they are typically peaking or reaching their prime as in Roy Jones beating James Tony or they are faded and past prime as in Kovalev vs. Hopkins and Mayweather Pacqiuao ; therefore to me beating the best in your division is better although its a honor to have these names but its just a hollow victory...maybe one day someone beats RG but by then he might not be who he is right now.

na, not true, plenty of fighters have fought prime atgs. Ali fighting Frazier and Foreman, not to mention Liston who only became shot after Ali battered him and the white press had to cover their tracks for picking against the great one.

Pacquiao battering Barrera and beating Marquez also comes to mind and Barrera himself beating Morales etc etc etc

I will agree that if there are no atgs around, all you can do is beat the best fighters in your division and to a certain extent, RG has done that but he has not established himself for a period of time in any of the recent divisions he has been at.

Because of the small weight margins in between those very small divisions, guys move up and down with ease fighting for whichever belt bets suits them. That to me is a real problem when you try and compare to someone like Hearns who established himself across 3, possibly 4 weight divisions considering how you take his light heavy run.

[1hourRun]

Lower divisions are such a joke. I still don't understand how they think it's ok to make divisions 3 lbs apart. Is it really that big of an accomplishment to win titles in 4 different divisions when they're just 12 lbs apart having 4 titles per divisions?

I told you newbs over and over again from 140 and below the average weight increase from 105,108,112,115,118,122,126,130,135,140 is 3.15262 some of you fools flunked out of school. Note nobody will critizes Crawfords climb in weight virtually the same in increase to the lower weights from 135-140 its a increase of 3.7037037037037033 %. Another point Pacquiao was fighting in these three-four pound weight limits until his 51st fight at SuperFeather weight if my mind serves me well......you guys are so insecure about a little man...why the ignorant blind hate? learn something about the lower weights before you speak idiot.

[Mexican_Puppet]

"Akira Yaegashi was the lineal flyweight king, traceable to the reign of Miguel Canto"

That's ****ing ******, Yaegashi is a B level champion, with feather hands a bad defense.

Guevara being a b class fighter k.o'ed him in Japan in just 8 rounds.

Niida was not unified.

Rodriguez fight was a joke, the worst stoppage of the last 5 years and this guy didn't say it.

Estrada yes... He is unified but IN HIS ****ING DIVISION! HE WON IN 112 AND HE FOUGHT VS GONZALEZ IN 108 POUNDS.

Again, and this guys didn't say it.

Is not the same beat Golovkin in 160 than in 155 pounds.

Gonzalez best name should be Cuadras, the rest are b classes and Estrada in 108 pounds and with 22 years.

He needs more good names, and one UNIFICATION in a ****in division.

[1hourRun]

na, not true, plenty of fighters have fought prime atgs. Ali fighting Frazier and Foreman, not to mention Liston who only became shot after Ali battered him and the white press had to cover their tracks for picking against the great one.

Pacquiao battering Barrera and beating Marquez also comes to mind and Barrera himself beating Morales etc etc etc

I will agree that if there are no atgs around, all you can do is beat the best fighters in your division and to a certain extent, RG has done that but he has not established himself for a period of time in any of the recent divisions he has been at.

Because of the small weight margins in between those very small divisions, guys move up and down with ease fighting for whichever belt bets suits them. That to me is a real problem when you try and compare to someone like Hearns who established himself across 3, possibly 4 weight divisions considering how you take his light heavy run.

Youre speaking to the point Im making those guys where prime but not ATG at the moment they had to beat each other first : you are looking at it from our modern point of view ( now that we know what they went on to become) ...as far as Liston I dont know about that he didnt even know his own age and nobody could clearly tell how old he was but apparently he was done and his better days where past him. Only time will tell how history will remember RG right now its a bright future : as the article mentions hes had previous opponents climb P4P and unified and are still top in there respective divisions not many in the sport can say theire opponents went on to continue to have title runs.

But I can see your reasons for the rest of your reply...not alot time to today to go over all that I spent a good minute doing the math for the weights in the article.

[bojangles1987]

I wish more people kept the body weight percentage in mind when talking weight class climbing. Too many uninformed opinions say "so and so fighter at light heavyweight moved up 15 pounds, why can't this guy move up 6?" They don't seem to understand they are similar jumps.

[jbpanama]

he has a chance to become as great as broner

Ha ha, This is a Class Kid and a credit to his Mentor!

[soul_survivor]

Youre speaking to the point Im making those guys where prime but not ATG at the moment they had to beat each other first : you are looking at it from our modern point of view ( now that we know what they went on to become) ...as far as Liston I dont know about that he didnt even know his own age and nobody could clearly tell how old he was but apparently he was done and his better days where past him. Only time will tell how history will remember RG right now its a bright future : as the article mentions hes had previous opponents climb P4P and unified and are still top in there respective divisions not many in the sport can say theire opponents went on to continue to have title runs.

But I can see your reasons for the rest of your reply...not alot time to today to go over all that I spent a good minute doing the math for the weights in the article.

Perspective, time, history and so on is not where I'm coming from. Im simply stating fighters who beat prime atgs.

I agree that RG has beaten opponents good enough to win more titles but again, he doesn't really have an established base in any one division, which is why other multi weight champions will always rank higher, even some of his contemporaries.

Having said all that, sometimes there's no reason to think about historical significance and better to just enjoy the moment. Right now we can witness RG, Kov and GGG, great punchers and boxers. I don't mind that one bit.

[Mexican_Puppet]

I agree that RG has beaten opponents good enough to win more titles but again, he doesn't really have an established base in any one division, which is why other multi weight champions will always rank higher, even some of his contemporaries.
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Exactly, Gonzalez best name would be Cuadras, Estrada in 108 pounds is not a great win, is like beat GGG in 155 pounds.

The rest are b class champions or old fighters: Yaegashi, Niida, Sosa with 60 years old, Viloria with 36, etc.

Most of them with feather hands: Niida, Yaegashi, Estrada in skeleton mode for down to 108 pounds, Sosa, etc.

[-Kev-]

It's nice to break down the increase in body weight but no matter how much math and science is used to explain RG's run, most people will not care about 3lb increments. People are increasingly becoming more impressed at the multiple weight jumps like Brook vs Golovkin, Pac vs DLH, Guerrero vs Aydin, Canelo vs Khan because these are the jumps that are more reminiscent to the older weight class system where from 147 you had to move up to 160, from 135 you go to 147, 126 to 135 etc. No one cares about 3lb increases from 40lbs to 43lbs, to 46lbs to 49lbs regardless if it's a jump of 1% or 50% or 100% in body weight. They're pretty much the same size on fight night, they just choose a smaller weight class to make. If RG wants to turn heads he has to make a huge jump to 122 right now and fight Rigondeaux, win or lose he will turn heads and have as much mainstream support as he will ever see in his career

[-Kev-]

I wish more people kept the body weight percentage in mind when talking weight class climbing. Too many uninformed opinions say "so and so fighter at light heavyweight moved up 15 pounds, why can't this guy move up 6?" They don't seem to understand they are similar jumps.

At the end of their careers, Hopkins moving up 15lbs to fight the Ring champ at LHW will be more impressive than any one win on RG's resume. Unless RG beats Rigondeaux

Just like people are ignoring body weight percentage as you say, from weigh in weight, people hyping body percentage are also ignoring that a lot of these guys kill themselves to make weight and for the most part they all weigh similarly on fight night at 120s.

I remember one fight RG was 111 at the scales and 122 in the ring, and in another fight (Sosa) 124lbs. For reference, Rigondeaux is a 122 fighter and comes in at 124-125lbs. Meaning these two can fight if the other one had more balls, just like people say for Canelo vs GGG