Comments Thread For: Andre Ward Doesn't Know Why He Doesn't Get Credit He Deserves

[Boxing Logic]

Is segregation institutional racism?

Yes

Was "stop-and-frisk" institutional racism?

No because there was nothing in that law specifying to stop more black people. It just went that way because that's where there's more crime right now in the US (see Chicago).

Was the decision to punish crack possession harsher than powder *******, at a rate of 100 to 1, an example of institutional racism?

Not necessarily because there was a "crack" epidemic, not a "******* powder" epidemic. Laws are aimed at the big problems usually. I agree the effect was disproprtionate but why even focus on this? Focusing on the divisive aspects of the issues don't help anyone. Focus on the fact the CIA illegally flew ******* into the U.S., which affected poor communities more but was illegal and an abuse of power against all Americans. Focus on the root cause and you can help everybody, especially blacks. Focus on the divisive aspects of the issues, and you just divide people, make groups resentful of one another, and never solve anything.

Is "red-lining" black communities to prevent them from home and business loans an example of institutional racism?

Yes if done based on skin color but I am unaware of that happening today.

Was J. Edgar Hoover's COINTELPRO an example of institutional racism?

No because again that is an abuse of power against all Americans. You don't think COINTELPRO is up in all the white nationalists business too, in addition to the black panthers? The elites don't just infiltrate all these groups after they're started, they basically create them! And fund them! Look at George Soros funding white nationalists types in Ukraine, and funding Black Lives Matter in the US. That's the point the media and the elites don't care about black people, or white people, they are just using you and all of us. Poor white people are one chess piece to them, poor black people are another chess piece, and they use the veil of "racial justice!" and "social justice!" to play them against each other and divide and conquer. Look what feminism has turned into, and it's maybe even worse in some black communities, and you can see how it works.

Did America end slavery before Britain and France? Are you sure about that?

I'm sure as far as what I've read! With all the disinformation out there though, I am never "sure" of anything anymore. I guess that's how they want it! I am I think smarter than most in that I know enough to know to always question and never just accept narratives or news articles.

America has made changes because they were forced to make changes! People fought, marched, died for these changes to happen, and they are still fighting!

Who forced America to rebel against the British empire? Who forced America to write the most pro-human, pro-freedom Constitution in history, and to state that all men are created equal? These were revolutionary ideas at the time and no one "forced" America to do it. And yes many fought and died, including many white people who fought to end slavery. I didn't say America was perfect, but given that 3% of whites owned ******, isn't it incredible that half the country, 50% of whites, fought to end slavery? They could have easily said "97% of us don't even own ******, so it's not our responsibility." Instead they fought for the freedom of the ancestors of today's black Americans, but that is forgotten and white people who had nothing to do with enslaving black people are often demonized today.

The problem in America is that more people are mad at those who are fighting injustice, than the injustice itself!

This is such a cop out! People aren't mad at people fighting injustice, people are frustrated that people are confused about the source of injustice.

Black Lives Matter for instance paints a picture where cops, and white people by extension, are the problem, and black people are the victims. Of course white people and cops don't like this narrative, because it paints them as evil, and it's not a factual narrative.

*** casts blacks as the victims, but let's look at the facts.

In terms of violence AGAINST the police, black people on average commit more than whites, or Hispanics.

In terms of overall criminality and violence, black people on average commit far more than either whites, Hispanics, or Asians.

In terms of interracial crime and violence, black people on average commit far more against whites, than whites commit against blacks. And black people on average even commit more crimes and violence against Hispanics, than vice versa, even though Hispanics have similar economic circumstances in the U.S!

Don't you see the problem? *** casts black people as the primary victims of police violence, or white violence, but in reality there is a greater percentage of black people who are the CAUSE and PERPETRATORS of violence against EVERY OTHER GROUP than any other group. Statistically there is a greater percentage of blacks who are CULPRITS than any other group.

Don't you see the problem with that? John can't cry wolf that people steal from him, for example, when John steals more than anyone else not just in general, but also steals more from EVERY SINGLE OTHER GROUP than they steal from him. That is called the perpetrator blaming the victim. Now obviously most blacks aren't perpetrators but we're talking percentages and averages, and on average black Americans as a group are more the perpetrators of these things than any other group, and yet we're supposed to consider them only as the victims?

That is what is hurting the *** movement because they claim their community is the principle victim, when in fact members of their community victimize OTHERS more often than members of any other group.

Now is there a socio-economic cause for this? Yes but once again *** acts like no one has tried to fix this. HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars have been poured into the black community to try to help with this in ********ic cities, but it hasn't helped much because most black people aren't seeing that money. There is so much corruption in the ********ic party, among the administrators and city officials, that they are taking that money for themselves. That corruption is what *** should be focusing on, not demonizing white people whose tax dollars have been poured into the black community for decades. We also have affirmative action for black people, financial aid, etc etc etc. So many measures have been passed to help black communities, but all that is ignored and forgotten.

The focus is always put on white people and put outside the black community on what everyone ELSE needs to be doing to help black people. The moment you try to bring up what needs to change WITHIN the black community, you are called a racist. Currently there is a culture within a portion of the black community that idolizes "gangsta" lifestyles, that thinks rappers with names like "Uzi" (a gun used for drive-bys to kill people indiscriminately) and "young thug" are cool, like these are good role models. There are people like Lil Wayne who if a white person ever acted like he did, people would think it was ridiculous, but it's supposedly cool when a black guy does it. There is this culture promoted within portions of the black community that says "thug life" is cool, and it's cool to hate white people, hate "pigs," ditch school, and so many other self-destructive behaviors. Black people in America call the cops for help more than any other group but somehow the cops are the problem? They are in many dangerous cities like Chicago trying to protect black people, and yet the culture problem within portions of certain black communities is so bad, even when someone murders a child, they still won't talk to the cops to help them catch the murderer and get him off the street. They would rather protect a child murderer than help the cops catch him, I heard about this situation just the other day, so that is not the cops fault, that is a community with a deep cultural problem WITHIN their community.

Do I think black people are bad people? Not at all. But there are problems that need addressing like the breakdown of the family, the welfare laws that encourage this, the third wave feminism that has taken hold in some black communities, a culture that celebrates violence, hatred of cops, and hatred of white people. In a poll that was done many black people said blacks are more racist now than white people. Well that's a problem isn't it? I've heard many blacks refer to white people as "devils." That's a poisonous culture as well.

So *** has this one issue, that cops kill blacks for no reason on an institutional level, that a harvard study disproved but they still want to focus on it and ONLY that. Meanwhile there are all these other huge issues that the statistics actually DO prove exist, but they want to ignore them because it's not as fun looking in the mirror, or analyzing complex multifaceted problems, as it is to just blame the "other," the white "devils," or the "pigs" who by the way are often mostly black with black police chiefs. They go into the academy believing the *** narrative but they quickly learn that criminality, and its causes, are the root problem, not the people who are there to try to protect people from that criminality. The cops are just a reaction to crime. Crime, and its causes, are the root problem, and unfortunately there is more of it relative to population among black Americans than any other group right now, and it's not even close. Instead of blaming those who are left to try to solve the crime problem, maybe we should blame the people who are committing the crimes, or at least, look into the factors that have led to so many more black Americans committing crimes, and violent crimes, compared to other groups. *** doesn't want to talk about that and sadly the result you get is now 500 murdered in Chicago in one year.

[Francis M.]

LOL at blaming american fans for being critical. Andre, with stardom or trying to be a big star in the biggest stage comes a lot of Critics and also the big paydays.


PAC is backed big by Philippines but he came to the U.S.A. to get the big paydays. Guess what, PAC started getting criticized when he took on Cherry opponents. He was even called a PEDs user with out proof.

Floyd was the wonder boy and people always gave him credit when the big fights was about to roll through. He would cherry pick once in a while and he got called out on it.

GGG was KOing everyone and gained popularity in the U.S.A. guess what's happening now that he's popular? He took two of the same low level opponents when he should have used the level of opponents and he's getting blasted by the media even with his exiting style.

Hell, I remember JMM used to be blasted by the media when Morales and Barrera was the darling but for what ever reason JMM could not get the big fights early on. People actually questioned JMM's toughness back in the day because he was considered a technician.


Problem with ward is that he has a small town mentality where he wants to be treated like a big hero no matter what but wants big city pay and recognition.

Becoming a star means you need to step up your game. Ward was there but let 5 years go by with out doing anything memorable.

[Real King Kong]

He made 800k last time out.

Should he have made more to fight brand?

[Francis M.]

Golovkin is 34, he's refused to move up or fight a P4P fighter, embracing and excusing him is classic great white hope syndrome.

Who's excusing him? His fans? Of course they will excuse him as much as they can. You cannot deny that GGG criticism has gone up.

Canelo, gave GGG a temporary pass to some fans IMO

[veter]

Golovkin is a household name? 97k.

check the numbers next week coWard.

[Corelone]

Andre has a much better chance than Kell. Not that I doubt Kov's power, it's not such a big jump in weight, that's all. Most if not all of Wards talent should migrate up. Beat Kov and he'll get plenty of credit.

[Bigg Rigg]

Dude is regarded as one of the best if not the best fighter in the game. What more he wants?? Fans that don't like his style even give him credit cuz they have no choice. Lol

[ShoulderRoll]

Certain writers who are close to certain promoters....I know exactly the piece of shit that Ward is referring to with that veiled statement.

[boxingfan4life]

He doesn't get credit because he uses a good jab, lateral movement, and doesn't lead with his face taking a lot of punishment. A lot of casuals who know very little about boxing call this running and not real boxing. They expect every boxer to be some blood thirsty slugger with no skill that just throws punches. If these idiots actually trained before they would know that one of the first things they teach you is to hit and not get hit. "Hey just stand in front of your opponent and take punishment to please the crowd" said no boxing trainer ever.

[Boxing Logic]

Golovkin is 34, he's refused to move up or fight a P4P fighter, embracing and excusing him is classic great white hope syndrome.

He hasn't refused anything. Ward ducked him or just couldn't make the weight. Is Ward not P4P? Froch ducked him, and he was on many Ward fans P4P list. That's a classic racial bias syndrome to prop Ward up. GGG signed to fight Pirog, who beat Danny Jacobs. He tried to fight Chavez Jr, as well as Canelo, who is on some P4P lists. He has literally tried to fight every good fighter in his weight class, the one above, and one below.

If you are blind to that reality, then you are the one with the bias syndrome, not me. Even your claim about GGG moving up is BS since he already agreed to move up to fight Froch. He can't help it if even the fighters in the division above him are scared of him, now can he? "Swerve GGG like the plague," I believe is the quote.