Comments Thread For: Andre Ward Doesn't Know Why He Doesn't Get Credit He Deserves

[Jubei]

Ward is so full of himself that he doesn't realize that there are countless reasons why people dislike him, a few examples:

Andre Ward

1. Uncharismatic / Unlikable
2. Very Boring Fighting Style, not entertaining inside or outside of the ring
3. Depends on Headbutting, Clinching, Disabling opponents
4. Holding and Hitting whenever he can
5. Can't even knockout 100:1 burgerflippers
6. Only fighter in the Super 6 who never travelled
7. Generally only fights when he has all the advantages on his side
8. He is a known liar and pretender
9. He is extremely arrogant and bigheaded
10. He is one of the worst Divas in the sport, terrible to deal with.
11. He is always moaning, bitching and complaining
12. Usually seems jealous of other fighters with more fans
13. Only takes on tough guys when contractually forced
14. Abusive, Paid Brand a measly $30k, lowest purse ever for HBO Maincard
15. Doesn't give a shit about fans, only cares about himself
16. Fools dumb boxing fans with hoax offer at a weight he cant even make
17. Ducked GGG in 2013 and fake calls him out when GGG announced his fight
18. Claims he cleared out 168, even though he only held 1-2 belts
19. Avoided Bute when Bute was champ at 168 and undefeated
20. Vacated WBC Belt so he could avoid his toughest fight at 168, Dirrel
21. Ducked the Froch Rematch in Froch's backyard.

[Ake-Dawg]

He doesn't deserve much credit for anything he has done in the last five years. He has had only 4 fights in the last 5 years against very average unknown or barely known boxers. He has twice fought 168 pound boxers after moving up to 175. What exactly does he think he deserves all this credit for? Winning a tournament 6 years ago? I think most fans do give him credit for fighting the top guy in Kovalev. He can't expect to get credit for beating Kovalev until he actually beats him in the ring.

Check your stats my friend. BoxRec could help. Count fan ignorance as one of the reasons he doesn't get the credit he deserves for the wins on his resume.

[M Bison]

Boring irrelevant fighter who has had silver spoon treatment his whole career, allowed to cheat to win his marquee fights his best win is over a guy who was getting schooled by Dirrell and Groves so why should he get heaped with credit?

[M Bison]

Ward is so full of himself that he doesn't realize that there are countless reasons why people dislike him, a few examples:

Andre Ward

1. Uncharismatic / Unlikable
2. Very Boring Fighting Style, not entertaining inside or outside of the ring
3. Depends on Headbutting, Clinching, Disabling opponents
4. Holding and Hitting whenever he can
5. Can't even knockout 100:1 burgerflippers
6. Only fighter in the Super 6 who never travelled
7. Generally only fights when he has all the advantages on his side
8. He is a known liar and pretender
9. He is extremely arrogant and bigheaded
10. He is one of the worst Divas in the sport, terrible to deal with.
11. He is always moaning, bitching and complaining
12. Usually seems jealous of other fighters with more fans
13. Only takes on tough guys when contractually forced
14. Abusive, Paid Brand a measly $30k, lowest purse ever for HBO Maincard
15. Doesn't give a shit about fans, only cares about himself
16. Fools dumb boxing fans with hoax offer at a weight he cant even make
17. Ducked GGG in 2013 and fake calls him out when GGG announced his fight
18. Claims he cleared out 168, even though he only held 1-2 belts
19. Avoided Bute when Bute was champ at 168 and undefeated
20. Vacated WBC Belt so he could avoid his toughest fight at 168, Dirrel
21. Ducked the Froch Rematch in Froch's backyard.

I remember making a list like that lol that is a very solid good list though it absolutely explains why people don't respect him as a person or a fighter I mean even Kessler and Froch think little of him.

[Bronx2245]

Yes


No because there was nothing in that law specifying to stop more black people. It just went that way because that's where there's more crime right now in the US (see Chicago).

Not necessarily because there was a "crack" epidemic, not a "******* powder" epidemic. Laws are aimed at the big problems usually. I agree the effect was disproprtionate but why even focus on this? Focusing on the divisive aspects of the issues don't help anyone. Focus on the fact the CIA illegally flew ******* into the U.S., which affected poor communities more but was illegal and an abuse of power against all Americans. Focus on the root cause and you can help everybody, especially blacks. Focus on the divisive aspects of the issues, and you just divide people, make groups resentful of one another, and never solve anything.

Yes if done based on skin color but I am unaware of that happening today.

No because again that is an abuse of power against all Americans. You don't think COINTELPRO is up in all the white nationalists business too, in addition to the black panthers? The elites don't just infiltrate all these groups after they're started, they basically create them! And fund them! Look at George Soros funding white nationalists types in Ukraine, and funding Black Lives Matter in the US. That's the point the media and the elites don't care about black people, or white people, they are just using you and all of us. Poor white people are one chess piece to them, poor black people are another chess piece, and they use the veil of "racial justice!" and "social justice!" to play them against each other and divide and conquer. Look what feminism has turned into, and it's maybe even worse in some black communities, and you can see how it works.

I'm sure as far as what I've read! With all the disinformation out there though, I am never "sure" of anything anymore. I guess that's how they want it! I am I think smarter than most in that I know enough to know to always question and never just accept narratives or news articles.



Who forced America to rebel against the British empire? Who forced America to write the most pro-human, pro-freedom Constitution in history, and to state that all men are created equal? These were revolutionary ideas at the time and no one "forced" America to do it. And yes many fought and died, including many white people who fought to end slavery. I didn't say America was perfect, but given that 3% of whites owned ******, isn't it incredible that half the country, 50% of whites, fought to end slavery? They could have easily said "97% of us don't even own ******, so it's not our responsibility." Instead they fought for the freedom of the ancestors of today's black Americans, but that is forgotten and white people who had nothing to do with enslaving black people are often demonized today.



This is such a cop out! People aren't mad at people fighting injustice, people are frustrated that people are confused about the source of injustice.

Black Lives Matter for instance paints a picture where cops, and white people by extension, are the problem, and black people are the victims. Of course white people and cops don't like this narrative, because it paints them as evil, and it's not a factual narrative.

*** casts blacks as the victims, but let's look at the facts.

In terms of violence AGAINST the police, black people on average commit more than whites, or Hispanics.

In terms of overall criminality and violence, black people on average commit far more than either whites, Hispanics, or Asians.

In terms of interracial crime and violence, black people on average commit far more against whites, than whites commit against blacks. And black people on average even commit more crimes and violence against Hispanics, than vice versa, even though Hispanics have similar economic circumstances in the U.S!

Don't you see the problem? *** casts black people as the primary victims of police violence, or white violence, but in reality there is a greater percentage of black people who are the CAUSE and PERPETRATORS of violence against EVERY OTHER GROUP than any other group. Statistically there is a greater percentage of blacks who are CULPRITS than any other group.

Don't you see the problem with that? John can't cry wolf that people steal from him, for example, when John steals more than anyone else not just in general, but also steals more from EVERY SINGLE OTHER GROUP than they steal from him. That is called the perpetrator blaming the victim. Now obviously most blacks aren't perpetrators but we're talking percentages and averages, and on average black Americans as a group are more the perpetrators of these things than any other group, and yet we're supposed to consider them only as the victims?

That is what is hurting the *** movement because they claim their community is the principle victim, when in fact members of their community victimize OTHERS more often than members of any other group.

Now is there a socio-economic cause for this? Yes but once again *** acts like no one has tried to fix this. HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars have been poured into the black community to try to help with this in ********ic cities, but it hasn't helped much because most black people aren't seeing that money. There is so much corruption in the ********ic party, among the administrators and city officials, that they are taking that money for themselves. That corruption is what *** should be focusing on, not demonizing white people whose tax dollars have been poured into the black community for decades. We also have affirmative action for black people, financial aid, etc etc etc. So many measures have been passed to help black communities, but all that is ignored and forgotten.

The focus is always put on white people and put outside the black community on what everyone ELSE needs to be doing to help black people. The moment you try to bring up what needs to change WITHIN the black community, you are called a racist. Currently there is a culture within a portion of the black community that idolizes "gangsta" lifestyles, that thinks rappers with names like "Uzi" (a gun used for drive-bys to kill people indiscriminately) and "young thug" are cool, like these are good role models. There are people like Lil Wayne who if a white person ever acted like he did, people would think it was ridiculous, but it's supposedly cool when a black guy does it. There is this culture promoted within portions of the black community that says "thug life" is cool, and it's cool to hate white people, hate "pigs," ditch school, and so many other self-destructive behaviors. Black people in America call the cops for help more than any other group but somehow the cops are the problem? They are in many dangerous cities like Chicago trying to protect black people, and yet the culture problem within portions of certain black communities is so bad, even when someone murders a child, they still won't talk to the cops to help them catch the murderer and get him off the street. They would rather protect a child murderer than help the cops catch him, I heard about this situation just the other day, so that is not the cops fault, that is a community with a deep cultural problem WITHIN their community.

Do I think black people are bad people? Not at all. But there are problems that need addressing like the breakdown of the family, the welfare laws that encourage this, the third wave feminism that has taken hold in some black communities, a culture that celebrates violence, hatred of cops, and hatred of white people. In a poll that was done many black people said blacks are more racist now than white people. Well that's a problem isn't it? I've heard many blacks refer to white people as "devils." That's a poisonous culture as well.

So *** has this one issue, that cops kill blacks for no reason on an institutional level, that a harvard study disproved but they still want to focus on it and ONLY that. Meanwhile there are all these other huge issues that the statistics actually DO prove exist, but they want to ignore them because it's not as fun looking in the mirror, or analyzing complex multifaceted problems, as it is to just blame the "other," the white "devils," or the "pigs" who by the way are often mostly black with black police chiefs. They go into the academy believing the *** narrative but they quickly learn that criminality, and its causes, are the root problem, not the people who are there to try to protect people from that criminality. The cops are just a reaction to crime. Crime, and its causes, are the root problem, and unfortunately there is more of it relative to population among black Americans than any other group right now, and it's not even close. Instead of blaming those who are left to try to solve the crime problem, maybe we should blame the people who are committing the crimes, or at least, look into the factors that have led to so many more black Americans committing crimes, and violent crimes, compared to other groups. *** doesn't want to talk about that and sadly the result you get is now 500 murdered in Chicago in one year.

March 21, 2013:

A top Bronx cop was caught on tape telling an NYPD whistleblower to specifically target “male blacks 14 to 21” for stop-and-frisk because they commit crimes.

Stop “the right people, the right time, the right location,” Deputy Inspector Christopher McCormack is heard saying on the recording.

“He meant blacks and Hispanics,” Officer Pedro Serrano, who made the secret recording, testified Thursday in Manhattan federal court.

“So what am I supposed to do: Stop every black and Hispanic?” Serrano was heard saying on the tape, which was recorded last month at the 40th Precinct in the Bronx.

McCormack said to focus on the Mott Haven section, where the problem “was robberies and grand larcenies.”

“I have no problem telling you this,” the inspector said on the tape. “Male blacks. And I told you at roll call, and I have no problem [to] tell you this, male blacks 14 to 21.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.1295665

January 7, 2015:

A dozen years ago, City Journal, the quarterly magazine of The Manhattan Institute, published "The Black Cops You Never Hear About" by Heather Mac Donald, one of the sharpest, most eloquent, and zealous defenders of New York City's police department. As the ACLU and various media outlets claimed racial bias in policing, "minority officers, who might be considered ideal commentators on these matters," are ignored, she wrote. "So I set out to talk to black cops and commanders from eight police departments across the country about why they became policemen and how they view today’s policing controversies. What I found was a bracing commitment to law and order, a resounding rejection of anti-cop propaganda, and a conviction that racial politics are a tragic drag on black progress."

All these years later, it's clear that the conclusions she took from her 2002 reporting don't fully capture the beliefs of many black and Hispanic NYPD officers, as evidenced by many more recent assessments from "ideal commentators."

"Reuters interviewed 25 African American male officers on the NYPD, 15 of whom are retired and 10 of whom are still serving," the news organization reported in a recent article. "All but one said that, when off duty and out of uniform, they had been victims of racial profiling, which refers to using race or ethnicity as grounds for suspecting someone of having committed a crime," the small survey found. "Officers said this included being pulled over for no reason, having their heads slammed against their cars, getting guns brandished in their faces, being thrown into prison vans and experiencing stop and frisks while shopping." These weren't one-off events. "The majority of the officers said they had been pulled over multiple times while driving. Five had had guns pulled on them."

A third of those officers say that they complained to supervisors. "All but one said their supervisors either dismissed the complaints or retaliated against them by denying them overtime, choice assignments, or promotions," the story notes. "The remaining officers who made no complaints said they refrained either because they feared retribution or because they saw racial profiling as part of the system."

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...e-nypd/384106/

August 12, 2013:

Judge Scheindlin was clearly speaking of Mayor Michael Bloomberg when she concluded: “The City’s highest officials have turned a blind eye to the evidence that officers are conducting stops in a racially discriminatory manner. In their zeal to defend a policy that they believe to be effective, they have willfully ignored overwhelming proof that the policy of singling out “the right people” is racially discriminatory and therefore violates the United States Constitution.”

The judge made clear that she was not striking down the program — which remains an important tool for law enforcement — but requiring the city to use that tool in a way that does not discriminate against African-Americans and Hispanics and that comports with constitutional guarantees against unreasonable search and seizure. Given the city’s refusal to alter its practices significantly, Judge Scheindlin had little choice but to appoint an outside monitor to oversee sweeping changes in how the New York Police Department trains its officers and carries out the stop-and-frisk policy.

Under the Fourth *********, police officers can legally stop and detain a person only when they have a reasonable su****ion that the person is committing, has committed or is about to commit a crime. Over the years, however, the Police Department has adopted a strategy that encourages cops to stop and question mainly minority citizens first and to come up with reasons for having done so later. This has resulted in people in some neighborhoods being stopped without reason scores of times a year. These unconstitutional stops, Judge Scheindlin wrote, have exacted a “human toll” in demeaning and humiliating law-abiding citizens. She is currently overseeing three lawsuits against this troubled program. The ruling issued on Monday, in Floyd v. The City of New York, was filed by plaintiffs alleging racial profiling in street stops.

At the heart of the Floyd case are statistics showing that the city conducted an astounding 4.4 million stops between January 2004 and June 2012. Of these, only 6 percent resulted in arrests and 6 percent resulted in summonses. In other words, 88 percent of the 4.4 million stops resulted in no further action — meaning a vast majority of those stopped were doing nothing wrong. More than half of all people stopped were frisked, yet only 1.5 percent of frisks found weapons. In about 83 percent of cases, the person stopped was black or Hispanic, even though the two groups accounted for just over half the population.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/13/op...risk.html?_r=0

I have served this country for 21 years in the U.S. Navy, and retired in 2006, and YES, I do support Colin Kaepernick's protest! Institutional racism still exists in America.

[Bronx2245]

Yes


No because there was nothing in that law specifying to stop more black people. It just went that way because that's where there's more crime right now in the US (see Chicago).

Not necessarily because there was a "crack" epidemic, not a "******* powder" epidemic. Laws are aimed at the big problems usually. I agree the effect was disproprtionate but why even focus on this? Focusing on the divisive aspects of the issues don't help anyone. Focus on the fact the CIA illegally flew ******* into the U.S., which affected poor communities more but was illegal and an abuse of power against all Americans. Focus on the root cause and you can help everybody, especially blacks. Focus on the divisive aspects of the issues, and you just divide people, make groups resentful of one another, and never solve anything.

Yes if done based on skin color but I am unaware of that happening today.

No because again that is an abuse of power against all Americans. You don't think COINTELPRO is up in all the white nationalists business too, in addition to the black panthers? The elites don't just infiltrate all these groups after they're started, they basically create them! And fund them! Look at George Soros funding white nationalists types in Ukraine, and funding Black Lives Matter in the US. That's the point the media and the elites don't care about black people, or white people, they are just using you and all of us. Poor white people are one chess piece to them, poor black people are another chess piece, and they use the veil of "racial justice!" and "social justice!" to play them against each other and divide and conquer. Look what feminism has turned into, and it's maybe even worse in some black communities, and you can see how it works.

I'm sure as far as what I've read! With all the disinformation out there though, I am never "sure" of anything anymore. I guess that's how they want it! I am I think smarter than most in that I know enough to know to always question and never just accept narratives or news articles.



Who forced America to rebel against the British empire? Who forced America to write the most pro-human, pro-freedom Constitution in history, and to state that all men are created equal? These were revolutionary ideas at the time and no one "forced" America to do it. And yes many fought and died, including many white people who fought to end slavery. I didn't say America was perfect, but given that 3% of whites owned ******, isn't it incredible that half the country, 50% of whites, fought to end slavery? They could have easily said "97% of us don't even own ******, so it's not our responsibility." Instead they fought for the freedom of the ancestors of today's black Americans, but that is forgotten and white people who had nothing to do with enslaving black people are often demonized today.



This is such a cop out! People aren't mad at people fighting injustice, people are frustrated that people are confused about the source of injustice.

Black Lives Matter for instance paints a picture where cops, and white people by extension, are the problem, and black people are the victims. Of course white people and cops don't like this narrative, because it paints them as evil, and it's not a factual narrative.

*** casts blacks as the victims, but let's look at the facts.

In terms of violence AGAINST the police, black people on average commit more than whites, or Hispanics.

In terms of overall criminality and violence, black people on average commit far more than either whites, Hispanics, or Asians.

In terms of interracial crime and violence, black people on average commit far more against whites, than whites commit against blacks. And black people on average even commit more crimes and violence against Hispanics, than vice versa, even though Hispanics have similar economic circumstances in the U.S!

Don't you see the problem? *** casts black people as the primary victims of police violence, or white violence, but in reality there is a greater percentage of black people who are the CAUSE and PERPETRATORS of violence against EVERY OTHER GROUP than any other group. Statistically there is a greater percentage of blacks who are CULPRITS than any other group.

Don't you see the problem with that? John can't cry wolf that people steal from him, for example, when John steals more than anyone else not just in general, but also steals more from EVERY SINGLE OTHER GROUP than they steal from him. That is called the perpetrator blaming the victim. Now obviously most blacks aren't perpetrators but we're talking percentages and averages, and on average black Americans as a group are more the perpetrators of these things than any other group, and yet we're supposed to consider them only as the victims?

That is what is hurting the *** movement because they claim their community is the principle victim, when in fact members of their community victimize OTHERS more often than members of any other group.

Now is there a socio-economic cause for this? Yes but once again *** acts like no one has tried to fix this. HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars have been poured into the black community to try to help with this in ********ic cities, but it hasn't helped much because most black people aren't seeing that money. There is so much corruption in the ********ic party, among the administrators and city officials, that they are taking that money for themselves. That corruption is what *** should be focusing on, not demonizing white people whose tax dollars have been poured into the black community for decades. We also have affirmative action for black people, financial aid, etc etc etc. So many measures have been passed to help black communities, but all that is ignored and forgotten.

The focus is always put on white people and put outside the black community on what everyone ELSE needs to be doing to help black people. The moment you try to bring up what needs to change WITHIN the black community, you are called a racist. Currently there is a culture within a portion of the black community that idolizes "gangsta" lifestyles, that thinks rappers with names like "Uzi" (a gun used for drive-bys to kill people indiscriminately) and "young thug" are cool, like these are good role models. There are people like Lil Wayne who if a white person ever acted like he did, people would think it was ridiculous, but it's supposedly cool when a black guy does it. There is this culture promoted within portions of the black community that says "thug life" is cool, and it's cool to hate white people, hate "pigs," ditch school, and so many other self-destructive behaviors. Black people in America call the cops for help more than any other group but somehow the cops are the problem? They are in many dangerous cities like Chicago trying to protect black people, and yet the culture problem within portions of certain black communities is so bad, even when someone murders a child, they still won't talk to the cops to help them catch the murderer and get him off the street. They would rather protect a child murderer than help the cops catch him, I heard about this situation just the other day, so that is not the cops fault, that is a community with a deep cultural problem WITHIN their community.

Do I think black people are bad people? Not at all. But there are problems that need addressing like the breakdown of the family, the welfare laws that encourage this, the third wave feminism that has taken hold in some black communities, a culture that celebrates violence, hatred of cops, and hatred of white people. In a poll that was done many black people said blacks are more racist now than white people. Well that's a problem isn't it? I've heard many blacks refer to white people as "devils." That's a poisonous culture as well.

So *** has this one issue, that cops kill blacks for no reason on an institutional level, that a harvard study disproved but they still want to focus on it and ONLY that. Meanwhile there are all these other huge issues that the statistics actually DO prove exist, but they want to ignore them because it's not as fun looking in the mirror, or analyzing complex multifaceted problems, as it is to just blame the "other," the white "devils," or the "pigs" who by the way are often mostly black with black police chiefs. They go into the academy believing the *** narrative but they quickly learn that criminality, and its causes, are the root problem, not the people who are there to try to protect people from that criminality. The cops are just a reaction to crime. Crime, and its causes, are the root problem, and unfortunately there is more of it relative to population among black Americans than any other group right now, and it's not even close. Instead of blaming those who are left to try to solve the crime problem, maybe we should blame the people who are committing the crimes, or at least, look into the factors that have led to so many more black Americans committing crimes, and violent crimes, compared to other groups. *** doesn't want to talk about that and sadly the result you get is now 500 murdered in Chicago in one year.

I am glad to know that you know about the CIA-CONTRA Alliance, Gary Webb, and "Freeway" Rick Ross! When you couple their activities with the sentencing disparities, and measure the effect it had on the Black and Brown communities, you can't just say that Black and Brown incarceration rates were merely "collateral damage."

April 4, 2008:

Forty years ago today, a bullet severed the spine of a man whom many the world over thought of as a prince. We have all seen the picture of the hotel balcony where that prince stood, and fell, surrounded by his entourage, all pointing - presumably, in the direction from which the bullet came.

All but one.

One man was not standing, not pointing, but kneeling by Martin Luther King's body, presumably checking to see if - or that - he was dead. That man, Merrell McCullough, was an undercover police officer who had infiltrated King's circle. According to Time magazine, he worked for the Central Intelligence Agency, at least as far back as 1974.

What interest could an intelligence agency have in a man who plainly believed only in peace? In August 1967, four months after King called the US government the "greatest purveyor of violence in the world today," three months after 30 members of the Black Panther party marched, armed, into the California state capitol and onto the front pages of newspapers worldwide, J Edgar Hoover, the head of America's domestic law enforcement agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, issued the following directive: "The purpose of this new counterintelligence endeavour is to expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit or otherwise neutralise the activities of black-nationalist, hate-type organisations and groupings, their leadership, spokesmen, membership and supporters."

By "hate-type organisations", Hoover explained that he meant "such groups as the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, [King's] Southern Christian Leadership Conference ... the Congress of Racial Equality and the Nation of Islam", the group Malcolm X belonged to until shortly before his 1965 murder. In February 1968, there was a massive demonstration in support of the then-imprisoned leader of the Black Panthers, and Stokely Carmichael and H Rap Brown merged SNCC with the Panthers. Hoover issued another directive: "Prevent the rise of a 'messiah' who could unify and electrify the militant black nationalist movement. Malcolm X might have been such a 'messiah'... . Martin Luther King, Stokely Carmichael, and [Nation of Islam leader] Elijah Muhammed [sic] all aspire to this position ... . King could be a very real contender for this position should he abandon his supposed 'obedience' to 'white, ******* doctrines' (nonviolence)."

According to another declassified FBI memo, shortly afterward the FBI proposed having "a carbon copy of [an] informant report reportedly written by Carmichael to the CIA carefully deposited in the automobile of a close black nationalist friend. ... It is hoped that when the informant report is read it will help promote distrust between Carmichael and the black community." FBI agents called Carmichael's mother, falsely telling her that Black Panthers were out to kill her son. Soon after, Carmichael left the country.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...heriseofamessi

[Bronx2245]

People mourned the death of Ali because he was a spokesman for all people later in his life. Earlier on they were rightfully critical of him. He made many "controversial" statements about race that would be considered racist today if white people said the same thing. He was also a puppet of, I think nation of Islam? As an HBO documentary exposed.

So there's no hypocrisy there. You just forget why people criticized him then, and why they love him now. Both can be fair. He also said he wouldn't keep the name he was born with and one reason was that whites owned ******, and yet he converted to Islam, a religion of which some members also owned black ******. That showed he was ignorant about history and easily manipulated about it.

As for stop and frisk, it was based on su****ion, not race. Groups who commit more crimes arouse more su****ion generally. When cops see black dudes walking down the street with prison tattoos on their necks, sagged pants that could be concealing a gun, who smell like dope, they're not going to pick them to stop and frisk because they're black, they're going to pick them to stop because they meet the criteria of someone more likely to be committing a crime.

I don't really like the concept myself, because it's still very "pre-crime" and you're right there are constitutional issues. But to say it's based on race is false. It's based on su****ion and if you don't like that cops are more su****ious of black people on average, the only way to change that is for black people to stop committing a disproportionate amount of crime. You brought up New York, well 79% of the suspects who fired on NYPD officers in 2012 were black; 5% were white. You can find the info at www.nyc.gov. So of course the NYPD is more su****ious of black people on average, just like Jesse Jackson admitted he was. That's not being racist, it's being rational. When I see a lion the street, I'm more afraid of it biting me than when I see a kitten. That doesn't mean I hate lions lol. I just know way more lions have fatally bitten people the last 10 years than kittens, and so I know I am more at risk when I see a lion.

The human mind has evolved with survival instincts. It is built to identify dangerous situations and circumstances of elevated risk level. That's how humans were able to survive in the wild before electricity or anything else. You can't blame the NYPD for recognizing that black ex-cons walking the street at night are more of a threat, on average, than a 90 year old upper class white lady with no priors out walking her dogs, when they know most of their partners who have been killed or shot at were killed or shot at by people more often resembling the former than the latter.

I mean isn't that just common sense? When did common sense become racism? It is important to note that most black people, as well as white people, are good people, and not criminals, which is why I don't like the idea of stop and frisk in the first place. Just don't act like blacks are stopped more because of race--it's because more blacks shoot at police in New York, by far. It's because more blacks in New York are in gangs, and so on. I don't judge anyone who is in a gang, you can still be a good person, I'm just stating facts. It's not about race, it's about disproportionate levels of crime within certain groups, and elevated risks to cops and the community as a result.

February 24, 2015:

New York City Police Department Commissioner Bill Bratton spoke Tuesday morning in Jamaica, Queens, a community with a nonwhite majority. In his remarks, Bratton addressed racial tensions following the death of Eric Garner, which involved a chokehold by the police, among other recent events in New York City.

After dropping some names in honor of Black History Month (Martin Luther King Jr. and Rosa Parks), Bratton conceded a shocking sentiment for a leader so loyal to his department and policing in general:

"The best parts of American history would have been impossible without the police. Many of the worst parts of black history would have been impossible without police, too."

After that admission, Bratton gave a short history lesson on Peter Stuyvesant, one of New York's original colonists. As director-general, one of the first steps Stuyvesant took was creating a police force — and the next was using ******, according to Bratton.

Since then, New York's history has "intertwined" the lives of police and black citizens again and again.

"Slavery — our country's original sin — sat on a foundation codified by laws and enforced by police, by slave catchers," he said to the predominantly black audience at The Greater Allen A.M.E. Cathedral of New York.

http://www.businessinsider.com/nypd-...-police-2015-2

July 28, 2014:

Outrageously long sentences are only part of the story. The hundreds of thousands of people who are arrested each year but do not go to jail also suffer; their arrests stay on their records for years, crippling their prospects for jobs, loans, housing and benefits. These are disproportionately people of color, with marijuana criminalization hitting black communities the hardest...

A Costly, Futile Strategy The absurdity starts on the street, with a cop and a pair of handcuffs. As the war on drugs escalated through the 1980s and 1990s, so did the focus on common, low-level offenses — what became known as “broken windows” policing. In New York City, where the strategy was introduced and remains popular today, the police made fewer than 800 marijuana arrests in 1991. In 2010, they made more than 59,000.

Nationwide, the numbers are hardly better. From 2001 to 2010, the police made more than 8.2 million marijuana arrests; almost nine in 10 were for possession alone. In 2011, there were more arrests for marijuana possession than for all violent crimes put together...

The Racial Disparity The sheer volume of law enforcement resources devoted to marijuana is bad enough. What makes the situation far worse is racial disparity. Whites and blacks use marijuana at roughly the same rates; on average, however, blacks are 3.7 times more likely than whites to be arrested for possession, according to a comprehensive 2013 report by the A.C.L.U.

In Iowa, blacks are 8.3 times more likely to be arrested, and in the worst-offending counties in the country, they are up to 30 times more likely to be arrested. The war on drugs aims its firepower overwhelmingly at African-Americans on the street, while white users smoke safely behind closed doors...


And as with arrests, the racial disparity is vast: Blacks are more than 10 times as likely as whites to go to prison for drug offenses. For those on probation or parole for any offense, a failed drug test on its own can lead to prison time — which means, again, that people can be put behind bars for smoking marijuana.

Even if a person never goes to prison, the conviction itself is the tip of the iceberg. In a majority of states, marijuana convictions — including those resulting from guilty pleas — can have lifelong consequences for employment, education, immigration status and family life.

A misdemeanor conviction can lead to, among many other things, the revocation of a professional license; the suspension of a driver’s license; the inability to get insurance, a mortgage or other bank loans; the denial of access to public housing; and the loss of student financial aid.

In some states, a felony conviction can result in a lifetime ban on voting, jury service, or eligibility for public benefits like food stamps. People can be fired from their jobs because of a marijuana arrest. Even if a judge eventually throws the case out, the arrest record is often available online for a year, free for any employer to look up.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/29/op...a-arrests.html

Again, you look at things as "collateral damage," and I see them as "institutional racism" that has existed for a very, very, long time!

[Francis M.]

It has a lot to do with that. A lot of haters call his style boring to watch because he's not a blood thirsty puncher with no boxing fundamentals. His style has often compared to Mayweather, which haters say all he does is run and hug, which is ignorant because he outlands his opponents in every fight, except for the first Castillo fight. While his level competition has met criticism, his fighting style has as well. Its crazy nowadays that people wants EVERY opponent a fighter face to be a considerable threat. No fighter in history has faced difficult fights EVERY time they fought somebody. Every fighter has they're share of not so good fighters on their resume.

Please do not compare ward to Floyd. Floyd out lands his opponent mostly with counter punching or leading with his right and moving out of the way.

Floyds level of opponent is also ten folds higher. Floyd also commits to his offense or his punches which I don't see with ward. Wards trying to grab while throwing.

[rasdun]

Ward is so full of himself that he doesn't realize that there are countless reasons why people dislike him, a few examples:

Andre Ward

1. Uncharismatic / Unlikable
2. Very Boring Fighting Style, not entertaining inside or outside of the ring
3. Depends on Headbutting, Clinching, Disabling opponents
4. Holding and Hitting whenever he can
5. Can't even knockout 100:1 burgerflippers
6. Only fighter in the Super 6 who never travelled
7. Generally only fights when he has all the advantages on his side
8. He is a known liar and pretender
9. He is extremely arrogant and bigheaded
10. He is one of the worst Divas in the sport, terrible to deal with.
11. He is always moaning, bitching and complaining
12. Usually seems jealous of other fighters with more fans
13. Only takes on tough guys when contractually forced
14. Abusive, Paid Brand a measly $30k, lowest purse ever for HBO Maincard
15. Doesn't give a shit about fans, only cares about himself
16. Fools dumb boxing fans with hoax offer at a weight he cant even make
17. Ducked GGG in 2013 and fake calls him out when GGG announced his fight
18. Claims he cleared out 168, even though he only held 1-2 belts
19. Avoided Bute when Bute was champ at 168 and undefeated
20. Vacated WBC Belt so he could avoid his toughest fight at 168, Dirrel
21. Ducked the Froch Rematch in Froch's backyard.

your just looking for reasons if you think he ducked a fight vs a fighter he easily beat first time and he would have easily beat again. Also, he generally only fights when he has the advantages??? he was an underdog v. Kessler, slight favorite v Froch and the Kovalev fight is pretty close to even $. You clearly are a Ward hater

There are 2 reasons:

1 - His fighting style doesn't lend itself to excitement, so, if you're gonna fight in a style in which the majority of your fights go 12 rds with a defensive style, then either promote yourself like Mayweather or,

2- fight often and become known as #1 p4p, like Sweet Pea did in the early nineties. Ward was on the cusp of becoming top lb 4 lb fighter around 2011. Then, he has fought app 4 times in past 4 years (just checked - he had 3 fights in a 4 year period from 2012-2015). His severe lack of activity since 2011 has really impacted his popularity

[rasdun]

Please do not compare ward to Floyd. Floyd out lands his opponent mostly with counter punching or leading with his right and moving out of the way.

Floyds level of opponent is also ten folds higher. Floyd also commits to his offense or his punches which I don't see with ward. Wards trying to grab while throwing.

Floyd does not commit to his offense at all. When was the last time Floyd threw 3 or 4 punch combinations in fights with regularity? 10 years ago? Also, when was the last time Floyd got a stoppage (against someone who was looking at him. lol)? 2007!