Comments Thread For: Andre Ward Doesn't Know Why He Doesn't Get Credit He Deserves

[GGG Gloveking]

Ha come to Dallas you fat racist.

Ive been there. Dallas is a crime ridden shizhole. FN dude got murdered right across the street from where I parked my truck. Could hear the gunshots from my hotel room. Next time Im in the area, I'll let you know. Amd trust me buddy, Im not fat. Im 6' and 188 lbs in pretty good shape for 38. I'll bring my gloves.

And you STILL cant answer the question to the point YOU raised. You claim Ward is subject to racism. How did racism cause him to fight only once in 2013, none in 2014, and only once in 2015? All you cam say is, "look at Golovkin" like a damm parrot or something. Support YOUR statement about Ward being subjected to racism, WITHOUT (for once in your life) bringing Golovkin into the situation...

[CaneloMaidana]

If Ward was entertaining and Golovkin was a boring diva, I'd switch sides. If ******ity was rocket science, you'd work for NASA. What's the ****ing point here?



Hasn't fought anyone or tried to fight anyone, targeted the titlist he knew couldn't make the weight instead of Thurman or Garcia, a typical Haymon move.



Has fought TBA's his entire career because he's known to have a bad chin, so Haymon made sure to protect him. He had so many chances to fight the best, starting with the Klitschkos, but never had any interest. Just ducked Povetkin over a legal amount of trace Meldonium, less than 1/14th the allowed amount. I like fighters who at least try to fight the best. If others duck you, that's not your fault, but if you don't even try, if YOU'RE the reason you don't fight the best, then that's because you're a ducker and not a boxer worth rooting for.




No I like Thurman because like most fighters who are the truth, I always sensed he would fight the best. He fought Porter, now he's calling out Danny Garcia. It's Danny Garcia who doesn't want him. That's why I support Thurman, but not Garcia. It's just like your next name, Danny Jacobs. GGG wants Jacobs, but Jacobs doesn't want GGG. Therefore, the objective fan supports GGG, and doesn't support Jacobs. Nothing to do with race, just logic, which you obviously lack.



I respect and like Bradley. He's just not a top favorite fighter of mine because he lacks power and isn't an elite fighter in my opinion as a result.



I like Joshua because he appears to be so good. I don't like guys who are clearly protected, like Wilder. Joshua hasn't fought anyone either but he's young so he has an excuse, and it seems like he will soon. This is also why I'm cool with Spence, since he's also young, but his clear Haymon tactic of targeting Brook instead of Garcia or Thurman when Brook can't make 147 anymore makes it seem like he's going to go the typical Haymon fighter route. And I know he called out Thurman but they all work for Haymon so those call outs are bull****. Haymon clearly directed him to go after Brook's belt, not Thurman's, otherwise he could be Thurman's mandatory by now instead of fighting a no name for a vacant title which is b*ll****.

I was a big fan of Stevenson at first. If Ward hadn't ducked him when Stevenson called him out, I would have rooted for Stevenson. And Stevenson has darker skin so there goes your whole dumb theory. But then Stevenson started ducking and preventing the fans from seeing great fights!

The first time Kovalev offered Stevenson the fight, Stevenson ducked him to fight Tony Bellew for less money. The second time Kovalev offered him the fight, Stevenson ducked him and ran to Showtime. The third time Kovalev tried to make the fight, Stevenson's team petitioned the WBC to move up the purse bid before Kathy Duva could secure outside financing as a way to avoid the fight a third time. THREE DUCKS AND YOU'RE OUT in my book.



He was supposed to fight JRoc six months ago. Now he's still dragging his feet. He's acting like most other Al Haymon fighters. Hasn't been matched tough ONCE his entire career, and now that he has a tough opponent mandated, drags his feet, magically gets injured for the first time when he never had injury problems before fighting no names, and clearly does not want to fight JRoc. I could care less about skin color, I just don't root for duckers because they ruin the sport.

JRoc is black, isn't he? I'm a big fan of him because he won't take step aside $! Charlo clearly wants to avoid the fight, and usually what Haymon fighters do is they make deals with each other to avoid the tough fights. But JRoc is saying **** it, I want the fight period, no step aside money. That makes me a big fan! Now am I as big a fan of him as GGG? No because up until now he didn't try to fight anyone either. He's just been fighting PBC no name B-sides. Charlo is trying to duck him now, but he hasn't been ducked by 10 guys like GGG, or had a 28 fight knockout streak. But if he forces Charlo to fight or vacate, and then keeps being willing to fight the best, he will be one of my favorite fighters for sure.



Was supposed to FINALLY fight a real fight two years ago against Charlo, but backed out instead. Since then has fought nothing but bums. He had one good performance with nice combos recently against awful opposition, but otherwise he's often backed up and fought defensively as well. His combinations and speed are exciting though... like many PBC fighters with talent, I could be a fan if they only fought good opposition! But they don't! If you can find me Andrade calling out the Charlos, Lara, and JRoc, then I will be a fan! But from what I've seen he is keeping quiet, content to fight nobodies, just like most the PBC!

That is the difference you don't realize. Danny Garcia fought Herrera in his homecoming. Kovalev tried to fight Beterbiev for his! Do you see the difference? Kovalev has now offered fights to Stevenson, Beterbiev, and Ward, three pound for pound talents, two of which are the biggest one-punch knockout artists in the sport. Kovalev tried to fight ALL THREE of the top guys. No picking and choosing. No looking for the best style for him. No looking for a top guy but one who isn't as risky in terms of power that could actually physically HURT him. He tried to fight them all.

GGG, same thing. Tried to fight Froch, Chavez jr, Quillin, Jacobs, Canelo... all these guys have power, are top names. He even made an offer to Ward years ago that Ward declined from what I've read. In any case Ward is naturally 30 pounds bigger and fights two divisions above him. Even when Ward was at 168, he was a "scaled down light heavyweight" that's an exact quote from Virgil Hunter. GGG tried to fight all the best 168s, all the best 160s, and all the best 154s. He has called out all the best in three separate divisions! So when Andrade simply tries to fight all the best in one division, let me know, that would be a nice start. He still wouldn't compare to what GGG has tried to do, or Kovalev being willing to fight Stevenson and Beterbiev who are basically the scariest punchers in the sport, but it would be a start.

This site for years embraced Wlad in a way it's never embraced a Black fighter.

Charlo is 7 years younger than Golovkin and Spence is 8 I believe but magically they have fought no one but Golovkin who is 34 has Stevens as one of his best wins. I've never seen you post anything good about Thurman or Bradley, always just Golovkin.

[Jubei]

The Truth bomb critted the degenerated haters for maximum damage.

You destroyed that racist crybaby.

[CaneloMaidana]

Ive been there. Dallas is a crime ridden shizhole. FN dude got murdered right across the street from where I parked my truck. Could hear the gunshots from my hotel room. Next time Im in the area, I'll let you know. Amd trust me buddy, Im not fat. Im 6' and 188 lbs in pretty good shape for 38. I'll bring my gloves.

And you STILL cant answer the question to the point YOU raised. You claim Ward is subject to racism. How did racism cause him to fight only once in 2013, none in 2014, and only once in 2015? All you cam say is, "look at Golovkin" like a damm parrot or something. Support YOUR statement about Ward being subjected to racism, WITHOUT (for once in your life) bringing Golovkin into the situation...

Yeah it's pretty bad that's why some old racist don't scare me, feel free to come.

Here's the thing about racism in boxing, we have to look at treatment of other fighters to see who is getting treated differently.

I don't care if you like someone but when you can't say the guy you are named after has done anything it makes sense to call it out.

[CaneloMaidana]

You destroyed that racist crybaby.

Cowards united to protect Golovkin.

[Boxing Logic]

Police brutality is a total myth

I constantly speak out about police brutality. Notice how you said brutality, not institutional racism, which statistics show is a lie. The media loves that narrative though. Divide and conquer baby.

As for the Native Americans, yeah the Spanish Christopher Columbus was horrible to them. Various European empires were awful. Many of the people who founded America were fleeing those people and fighting against the authoritarian monarchical system that existed in Europe and everywhere else through history. Remember Alexander the Great? Remember Genghis Khan? That's how the world worked until America changed things. Slavery was rampant around the world. African tribes fought each other and enslaved the losing side. "Americans" then bought ****** from African tribes, but they were already ******, enslaved to other Africans.

Your false narrative tries to say that slavery didn't exist, and then America went and created it. No, slavery was everywhere, including America, then America was the first to end it. So of course you can focus on the fact that America took part in it, but that wasn't unique, that just made them like everyone else. By the way at its peak I believe 3% of Americans owned slave. 3%. But you're taught like every white person owned ******. Anyway, slavery was rampant across the earth. You can find it in the Bible even. The fact America ended it was unique though.

America is unique in many ways. Nowhere in the entire world do black people live under better conditions than in America. America is the best place on the planet for black people, and that's a fact. That doesn't mean things are great... it's a sad world in many ways... but America has been, and is, the start of an improvement, not the cause of the sadness. Now, America's foreign policy recently has been the opposite, creating problems not solutions, hurting many people. But that's not the American people or its ideals, that is oligarchs who have taken over America's government. Elite tyrants. Before America did this it was the British empire, the Spanish, the French, there were wars in the middle east, in Africa, and on it goes. Like I said, world history is basically a tragedy. America has in some ways been a ray of sunlight, changing things for the better. There is a lot more freedom around the world since America was founded and set things in motion, than there was before. That doesn't mean America is perfect, far from it given the decisions America's government has been making, but to act like things were great, then America came along and ruined everything, is ******ity. Things were horrible, then America came along, and kept some things horrible, while slowly improving some things, and making them slightly less horrible. That doesn't mean you don't have a right to complain about things being horrible, but it does mean you can't act like America is the cause.

[Pigeons]

Andre Ward is one of the few reasons I still watch this pathetic sport.

[CaneloMaidana]

I constantly speak out about police brutality. Notice how you said brutality, not institutional racism, which statistics show is a lie. The media loves that narrative though. Divide and conquer baby.

As for the Native Americans, yeah the Spanish Christopher Columbus was horrible to them. Various European empires were awful. Many of the people who founded America were fleeing those people and fighting against the authoritarian monarchical system that existed in Europe and everywhere else through history. Remember Alexander the Great? Remember Genghis Khan? That's how the world worked until America changed things. Slavery was rampant around the world. African tribes fought each other and enslaved the losing side. "Americans" then bought ****** from African tribes, but they were already ******, enslaved to other Africans.

Your false narrative tries to say that slavery didn't exist, and then America went and created it. No, slavery was everywhere, including America, then America was the first to end it. So of course you can focus on the fact that America took part in it, but that wasn't unique, that just made them like everyone else. By the way at its peak I believe 3% of Americans owned slave. 3%. But you're taught like every white person owned ******. Anyway, slavery was rampant across the earth. You can find it in the Bible even. The fact America ended it was unique though.

America is unique in many ways. Nowhere in the entire world do black people live under better conditions than in America. America is the best place on the planet for black people, and that's a fact. That doesn't mean things are great... it's a sad world in many ways... but America has been, and is, the start of an improvement, not the cause of the sadness. Now, America's foreign policy recently has been the opposite, creating problems not solutions, hurting many people. But that's not the American people or its ideals, that is oligarchs who have taken over America's government. Elite tyrants. Before America did this it was the British empire, the Spanish, the French, there were wars in the middle east, in Africa, and on it goes. Like I said, world history is basically a tragedy. America has in some ways been a ray of sunlight, changing things for the better. There is a lot more freedom around the world since America was founded and set things in motion, than there was before. That doesn't mean America is perfect, far from it given the decisions America's government has been making, but to act like things were great, then America came along and ruined everything, is ******ity. Things were horrible, then America came along, and kept some things horrible, while slowly improving some things, and making them slightly less horrible. That doesn't mean you don't have a right to complain about things being horrible, but it does mean you can't act like America is the cause.

50 percent of unarmed civilians shot are Black.

People like you hate Blacks but lack courage to be honest.

[Boxing Logic]

This site for years embraced Wlad in a way it's never embraced a Black fighter.

Charlo is 7 years younger than Golovkin and Spence is 8 I believe but magically they have fought no one but Golovkin who is 34 has Stevens as one of his best wins. I've never seen you post anything good about Thurman or Bradley, always just Golovkin.

Very few embraced Wlad. What are you talking about? He is so umembraced by whites in the US that HBO didn't even air many of his fights. That's because he's boring most of the time. But at least he always fought his #1 contender which is admirable.

Who cares how old they are? They are taking up precious TV dates. They are supposed to be "champions." That means you're no prospect anymore. Fight the best. And wtf is Deontay Wilder's excuse? He is 30 and still fighting TBAs basically. And remember GGG was at a huge disadvantage coming from Khazakstan. He didn't get HBO backing until he was pretty old. Remember when he first came over here yall kept making the excuse "no one knows who he is so there's no reward for fighting him. This makes my favorite fighters ducking him acceptable!"

First that was yall excuse, now that he is known, and there is a reward, yall have a new excuse. And stop saying "My favorite fighter is a ducker who hasn't fought anyone, but look at GGG, he hasn't fought anyone either!" How ****** is that??? I already explained, fighters who DUCK, I don't support. Fighters who try to fight the best, I support. I don't blame GGG for being ducked.

I'll give you one specific example. Keith Thurman has not fought Danny Garcia. Danny Garcia has not fought Keith Thurman. I guess then, since "neither has fought each other!" I should blame both of them? No, I support Thurman, and give him credit, because he calls out Garcia, and clearly wants to fight him, and I can tell just from logic that he wants to fight him because I know he's way better. I don't support Garcia, and I don't give him credit, because he doesn't call out Thurman except to save face, and I can tell just from logic that he doesn't want to fight him because he knows Thurman is better. Plus, Danny's own father said "why fight the best when you can make money to fight Rod Salka?" If that's the case that means you're not a sportsman, you have no respect for the sport of boxing and its history, so as a boxing fan, why would I root for a pure businessman? I am a boxing fan, not a businessman. That means I root for boxers, but businessmen.

Understand yet? I'm not going to keep explaining it.

[Boxing Logic]

50 percent of unarmed civilians shot are Black.

People like you hate Blacks but lack courage to be honest.

50 percent of unarmed civilians shot are White.

People like you hate Whites but lack courage to be honest.

.........

Really though, Harvard did a study that found no racial bias in police shootings. More whites are shot by cops per year than blacks.

Do I think some cops are more scared of blacks than whites? Yes but so was Jesse Jackson, who said:

There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved

And you can't really blame them when they learn from experience that many black people absolutely hate cops, and celebrate people in movies beloved by many black people like Straight Outta Compton who write songs like:

I'm a sniper with a hell of a scope taking out a cop or two they can't cope

And the stats back it up. Black people in the U.S. make up 13% of the population, but from 2004 to 2013, of all the police killed in felony incidents, 43% were killed by black people.

So you can say that police disproportionately kill black people, which is a disputed claim refuted by a Harvard study, but what is 100% proven is that black people disproportionately kill policemen.

You didn't know that though, did you? Here's another interesting fact:

79% of the suspects who fired on NYPD officers in 2012 were black; 5% were white.

Huh. I wonder why NYPD officers are more jittery around black suspects then?

And no actually I don't hate black people. In fact when I see a black person succeed against the odds, when the odds are ACTUALLY against them, or I just see a nice moment, it often affects me more than when it's a white person. I don't like lies though! I care about the truth, not CNN spin meant to divide us!