Everyone Wants to Talk About Floyd's IV - What About Pac-Monster's Toradol Abuse???

[ADP02]

he never said medically impossible, moron


is that a good enough answer for you?

Nice try but here is what they said and you have been fighting me on for like pages in this thread:

Diaz's Lawyer: Can it be due to rehydrating that much? IS a swing that large medically plausible?

Diaz's "expert" witness: "1:17 minutes between the 2 tests after the fight, absolutely not. To drop from 733 to 61 in 1 hour 17 minutes it would require massive consumption of fluids. We are talking in the order of several liters in a very short period of time. That has an affect on our body and causes hyponatremia. The sodium level drops too much or an electrolyte imbalance. Basically if not properly corrected it can lead to serious medical condition such as headaches, .....

If its from hydration alone its not medically plausible."




1) As I stated, they tried to create a specific scenario without taking into consideration the other possible scenarios.

2) 733 was not the reliable number. > 300 was the reliable number.

3) 1 hour and 17 minutes was not the reliable number because he could have drank before then.

4) It's possible to dilute your urine many folds with drinking several liters of water and it would not put the athlete in danger if done correctly!

5) What if Diaz did make sure that he corrected his fluid intake with proper electrolyte intake?

There is more but that is enough ......

[travestyny]

sorry but that is not as bad as SMRTL having been investigated by WADA and then their own results turning up to be positive and they admitted to making a mistake!!!


PLUS the NSAC stayed consistent in that the positive test ruled even though there was a negative result!

Nice try!

I will be around on and off for another 8 or 9 days smashing you from pillar to post!



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LMAO. YOU LITTLE BlTCH. QUEST ****ED UP TWICE IN ONE DAY.

DID THEY GET THE SILVA TEST WRONG? DID THEY? GOT IT WRONG TWICE ON THE SAME DAY THEY GOT THE DIAZ TEST WRONG. AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

YOU ARE SUCH A COWARDLY BlTCH. NOW YOU'RE DEFLECTING AND SAYING ALL OF THIS WAS NOT ABOUT SPECIFIC GRAVITY.

BUT THATS OK. I KNEW YOU WERE A ***** WHEN YOU FAILED TO SHOW UP AT THE THUNDERDOME. BEAT ME FROM PULLAR TO POST? PLEASE. IF YOU HAD SOME BALLS YOU'D SHOW UP. I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR YOU, YOU SPINELESS, BALL-LESS LITTLE BlTCH.

[travestyny]

Nice try but here is what they said and you have been fighting me on for like pages in this thread:

Diaz's Lawyer: Can it be due to rehydrating that much? IS a swing that large medically plausible?

Diaz's "expert" witness: "1:17 minutes between the 2 tests after the fight, absolutely not. To drop from 733 to 61 in 1 hour 17 minutes it would require massive consumption of fluids. We are talking in the order of several liters in a very short period of time. That has an affect on our body and causes hyponatremia. The sodium level drops too much or an electrolyte imbalance. Basically if not properly corrected it can lead to serious medical condition such as headaches, .....

If its from hydration alone its not medically plausible."




1) As I stated, they tried to create a specific scenario without taking into consideration the other possible scenarios.

2) 733 was not the reliable number. > 300 was the reliable number.

3) 1 hour and 17 minutes was not the reliable number because he could have drank before then.

4) It's possible to dilute your urine many folds with drinking several liters of water and it would not put the athlete in danger if done correctly!

5) What if Diaz did make sure that he corrected his fluid intake with proper electrolyte intake?

There is more but that is enough ......

SO YOU ADMIT THAT THEY PROVED THEIR POINT THAT IT COULDNT HAVE BEEN FROM DILUTING??? Thanks moron!!!

You're so ****ing dumb that you think he can cure severe hyponatremia by drinking electrolyte drinks. LMAO. YOU ARE AN ABSOLUTE IDIOT. AND YOU ARE STILL DUCKING SPECIFIC GRAVITY. HOW THE **** DID HE HAVE OVER 75 MINUTES WHEN HE WAS SLIGHTLY DEHYDRATED AT THE SECOND TEST. YOU CANT ANSWERRR!!!!!! You're a waste of time you little punk. Go take that vacation early. You're done.

[travestyny]

Sorry but you either cannot get my point or just want to protect Floyd.

Why are you bringing up LABs/Passports when it was the DCO who initially determined if Floyd's sample was too dilute? My point is that if LABs/Passport finds dilution irregularities, its too late in Floyd's case! What are they going to do with that sample? Its too dilute! :lo1:





Samples were collected hours after the DCO initially went to visit Floyd. So to say, you are also aware but do not mention that there was a delay of about 6 hours to get Floyd's urine. That in itself may have accomplished what Floyd wanted.


Nick Diaz had 3 urine samples collected on the day of one of his fights. 2 samples used specific gravity tests to check for dilution. They came back .003 and .006. According to WADA rules, .006 is passible. Both samples returned negative results (not in violation). The third test which was done by Quest Lab and used a different protocol (not sg) turned in a positive result.

So to say that the sg test did not catch that the urine sample was too dilute to get a positive result!!!





You are twisting the quote. The quote is stating that its su****ious when an athlete gets an IV just before the sample collection. They are not saying its OK if you declared it.

There have been cases where the athlete has declared the IV beforehand but USADA still said that they were in violation. Floyd is special ......





As stated above, yes that holds true for Floyd but others have declared but were in violation.


I know enough about the passport .....
Floyd used an IV then 3 weeks later was given a TUE.

If for instance, Floyd usually comes in with substance XXX at a level of 0.0001 but due to the IV, there was a dilution of 50% then the substance XXX may be at a lower level of lets say 0.000005. Under normal circumstances, this would be flagged as a violation but due to the IV, the urine was diluted and skewed Floyd's results.

So Floyd can come back and say I had an IV and that skewed my results! Then presents that BS RETRO TUE! Passport results are then thrown out the window!




While we cannot know which PED Floyd was trying to hide, it may have been EPO and he would more than likely be microdosing, as I have already pointed out before.

At that point in time, Floyd more than likely thought that testing was over except for after the fight test. He more than likely microdosed the night before the weigh in then got an unexpected knock by the DCO that day. To be sure, Floyd delayed as much as he can and drank as much as he can and used an IV. Depending on his dose, the delay could have been enough but why chance it.

Others have micro-dosed and got caught. One cyclists said that the only reason that he got caught was because he forgot to drink plenty of water after microdosing. In other words, he had done it before and passed the test every time he drank plenty of water.

Again, we saw Floyd delay, drink plenty of water then unexplainably still need to use an IV. That is unacceptable.

This was where this all started. About SPECIFIC GRAVITY. Too bad you are caught out there telling bullishlt lies.

 IV infusions before sample collection could actually prolong the doping control sample process because it has a greater potential to produce multiple dilute samples.

[ADP02]

LMAO. YOU LITTLE BlTCH. QUEST ****ED UP TWICE IN ONE DAY.

DID THEY GET THE SILVA TEST WRONG? DID THEY? GOT IT WRONG TWICE ON THE SAME DAY THEY GOT THE DIAZ TEST WRONG. AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

YOU ARE SUCH A COWARDLY BlTCH. NOW YOU'RE DEFLECTING AND SAYING ALL OF THIS WAS NOT ABOUT SPECIFIC GRAVITY.

BUT THATS OK. I KNEW YOU WERE A ***** WHEN YOU FAILED TO SHOW UP AT THE THUNDERDOME. BEAT ME FROM PULLAR TO POST? PLEASE. IF YOU HAD SOME BALLS YOU'D SHOW UP. I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR YOU, YOU SPINELESS, BALL-LESS LITTLE BlTCH.

Sorry but SMRTL admitted to making a mistake.

SMRTL said it was "negative"

then after the investigation by WADA they had to actually say that they made a mistake all along and the test was actually positive not negative as SMRTL original stated.

Sorry!


So we have a WADA accredited lab that screwed up several times now and that is a fact. They say that they follow WADA protocols but then you are OK when they do not follow WADA protocol. WHAT A JOKE!!! So what makes you then say that they got it right because they followed WADA protocol?


As far as Silva, Quest did find some drugs that SMRTL didn't find and also SMRTL's A and B were different on Jan 31! Another mistake chalked up by WADA's SMRTL!


"the former Middleweight champion submitted two urine samples on Jan. 31, 2015.

The first sample was submitted to Quest Diagnostics and the second to Sports Medicine Research & Testing Laboratory. The second test came back positive and was sent to the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC)."


"There is some controversy regarding Anderson Silva's drug test failure on 1/31. The "B" sample, tested at a different lab, showed him clean after the "A" sample had shown him testing positive for Drostanolone, an anabolic steroid.

Normal protocol is supposed to be that no test result is announced until the "B" sample comes in positive as well, so it is weird that it was announced prior to that. That doesn't get Silva off the hook because he still tested positive a few weeks before the fight in an unannounced test."


So in short, I guess the B sample won't get him off the hook. Silva (34-6) popped for two anabolic steroids, Drostanolone and Androstane, in pre-fight screening. He also tested positive for Drostanolone in post-fight testing, along with two anti-anxiety medications (by Quest)."

Also SMRLT tested Silva positive and negative on other dates as well:
"SMRTL positive test dated 1/9 and also point to SMRTL negative test dated 1/19 "


So it looks like SMRTL got it wrong on Jan 31st and Quest had it right!!!! They sent SMRTLs B sample to another lab and then it came back negative!!!

[ADP02]

SO YOU ADMIT THAT THEY PROVED THEIR POINT THAT IT COULDNT HAVE BEEN FROM DILUTING??? Thanks moron!!!

You're so ****ing dumb that you think he can cure severe hyponatremia by drinking electrolyte drinks. LMAO. YOU ARE AN ABSOLUTE IDIOT. AND YOU ARE STILL DUCKING SPECIFIC GRAVITY. HOW THE **** DID HE HAVE OVER 75 MINUTES WHEN HE WAS SLIGHTLY DEHYDRATED AT THE SECOND TEST. YOU CANT ANSWERRR!!!!!! You're a waste of time you little punk. Go take that vacation early. You're done.

Man you are lousy at this. Just incredible.

They were trying to drive their agenda but as I stated there were many scenarios that shoots down their narrow minded scenario.

NOW you are finally getting it ..... I THINK but in a weird way!!! You just cannot admit that their point was not valid and you went along with that weird testimony!!!

BADABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!

Witness: If this and if this then this ....

Travestyny: I believe that!

[travestyny]

Sorry but SMRTL admitted to making a mistake.

SMRTL said it was "negative"

then after the investigation by WADA they had to actually say that they made a mistake all along and the test was actually positive not negative as SMRTL original stated.

Sorry!


So we have a WADA accredited lab that screwed up several times now and that is a fact. They say that they follow WADA protocols but then you are OK when they do not follow WADA protocol. WHAT A JOKE!!! So what makes you then say that they got it right because they followed WADA protocol?


As far as Silva, Quest did find some drugs that SMRTL didn't find and also SMRTL's A and B were different on Jan 31! Another mistake chalked up by WADA's SMRTL!


"the former Middleweight champion submitted two urine samples on Jan. 31, 2015.

The first sample was submitted to Quest Diagnostics and the second to Sports Medicine Research & Testing Laboratory. The second test came back positive and was sent to the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC)."


"There is some controversy regarding Anderson Silva's drug test failure on 1/31. The "B" sample, tested at a different lab, showed him clean after the "A" sample had shown him testing positive for Drostanolone, an anabolic steroid.

Normal protocol is supposed to be that no test result is announced until the "B" sample comes in positive as well, so it is weird that it was announced prior to that. That doesn't get Silva off the hook because he still tested positive a few weeks before the fight in an unannounced test."


So in short, I guess the B sample won't get him off the hook. Silva (34-6) popped for two anabolic steroids, Drostanolone and Androstane, in pre-fight screening. He also tested positive for Drostanolone in post-fight testing, along with two anti-anxiety medications (by Quest)."

Also SMRLT tested Silva positive and negative on other dates as well:
"SMRTL positive test dated 1/9 and also point to SMRTL negative test dated 1/19 "


So it looks like SMRTL got it wrong on Jan 31st and Quest had it right!!!! They sent SMRTLs B sample to another lab and then it came back negative!!!

WRONGGGGGG. AHAHAHAHA. I TOLD YOU TO STOP BELIEVING EVERYTHING YOU READ. THAT IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED.

Go look at the video of the hearing.

1. WADA FOUND HIM POSITIVE, AND HE ADMIT TAKING IT.

2. The drugs Quest found are not on the WADA prohibited list.

3. The drug that SMRTL found was tested for by Quest.

4. Quest's B sample was also negative, which was wrong.

5. The drug leaves your system in 7 days. The lab testified to this which makes sense because SMRTL found it in the 9th, it wasn't present in the 19th, and SMRTL found it again on the 31st.

6. Silvia admit taking it on the 8th and around the 27th.

Go find the video chump.

[travestyny]

Man you are lousy at this. Just incredible.

They were trying to drive their agenda but as I stated there were many scenarios that shoots down their narrow minded scenario.

NOW you are finally getting it ..... I THINK but in a weird way!!! You just cannot admit that their point was not valid and you went along with that weird testimony!!!

BADABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!

Witness: If this and if this then this ....

Travestyny: I believe that!

You are an absolute moron. Still waiting for you to tell me how was he going to treat hyponatremia while getting stitches over his eye and then immediately reporting to a press conference. How is severe hyponatremia treated? Let me know.

Drinking Gatorade isn't going to help, dumb dumb.

AND STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO EXPLAIN WHY YOUR STUDIES ALL SUPPORT ME REGARDING THE SPECIFIC GRAVITY. YOU KNOW...THE WHOLE REASON WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MMA FIGHTERS...SINCE YOU PULLED IT OUT OF YOUR ASS THAT SPECIFIC GRAVITY LETS A FIGHTER FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS....BUT NOW YOU DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS SPECIFIC GRAVITY AT ALL. LMAOOOOOO!

COME ONNNNN. TALK TO ME ABOUT SPECIFIC GRAVITY. TELL ME HOW HE DRANK SO MUCH AND YOUR STUDIES SAY HE SHOULD BE AT 1.005 OR LOWER AFTER A LITTLE LESS THAN 2 LITERS, YOUR OTHER STUDY SAYS 1.003 AFTER 1 LITER, YOUR "EXPERT" SAYS HE HAD TO DRINK 2-4 LITERS, YET HE IS AT 1.009. LMAOOOOOOOOO.

GIVE THE **** UP. YOU'RE DONE.

[travestyny]

Sorry...but I just need to make your destruction even more clear. Thought you might want to see the video evidence of how thoroughly you are being beaten "pillar to post."

Sorry but SMRTL admitted to making a mistake.

SMRTL said it was "negative"

then after the investigation by WADA they had to actually say that they made a mistake all along and the test was actually positive not negative as SMRTL original stated.

Sorry!

Don't be sorry. They ****ed up on finding that she had less than 1microgram of meldonium at a time where there was lots of confusion about the drug. Ok. How about QUEST fuvcking up Vitamin D tests for 2 years???? And how about Quest ****ing up Silva's test...testing the B sample, and still getting it wrong!

So we have a WADA accredited lab that screwed up several times now and that is a fact. They say that they follow WADA protocols but then you are OK when they do not follow WADA protocol. WHAT A JOKE!!! So what makes you then say that they got it right because they followed WADA protocol?

Are you too ****** to understand that NSAC does not follow WADA protocol? The lab analyzes the sample. It did not break any WADA protocol, you dope.

No. What we have is a Quest lab that has been ****ing up for years. YEARS. Admittedly so. Not only that, but they even **** up B samples. They even submitted a diluted sample for testing....just like you are harping on with SMRTL! WOWWW! Now that's a joke. And what's more is that on the same day that most people with a brain believe they ****ed up Nick Diaz' test.....THEY ALSO ****ED UP ANDERSON SILVA'S TEST. ON THE SAME ****ING DAY!

As far as Silva, Quest did find some drugs that SMRTL didn't find

WRONG! The drugs for anxiety that Quest found were not on WADA's prohibited list and thus were not checked for. Try doing some research before you spout a bunch of bullshlt that you don't know about. Owned yet again.

Anderson Silva tested positive for a pair of benzodiazepines, oxazepam and temazepam, and was again found with drostanolone metabolites in his system following January’s UFC 183 event.

The latter chemical is on the World Anti-Doping Agency’s banned list, but the former two are not. So why was Silva cited for them?
http://mmajunkie.com/2015/02/nsac-ex...banned-by-wada

and also SMRTL's A and B were different on Jan 31! Another mistake chalked up by WADA's SMRTL!

WRONG! LMAO! Owned yet again!!!! LMAO. Do some ****ing research. It was not a B sample from SMRTL. This was 1 test by Quest and another test by SMRTL. Quest test was negative. SMRTL test was positive. Whichever article is calling that the B sample is wrong, and that's why you are confused, dope. Do some ****ing research. It wasn't a B sample. It was 2 labs testing the same sample. Mind you, Silva admit taking a supplement that had the drug in it. So QUEST's test was clearly WRONGGGG!!! Then later, Quest tested their B sample and it again came back negative. Two WRONG tests with a guy who admitted taking the damn drug. Don't you feel ****** now?

Also SMRLT tested Silva positive and negative on other dates as well:
"SMRTL positive test dated 1/9 and also point to SMRTL negative test dated 1/19 "

LMAO. Good try. This will be the 3rd time I own you in this post. The drug leaves your system in 7 days. Silva testified that he ingested the supplement with the drug on January 8th...which means it was out of his system by January 15th, and then again on January 27th, which is why it shows up on the January 31st test. You know...the test that Quest failed to get a positive finding for not once, but twice!

So it looks like SMRTL got it wrong on Jan 31st and Quest had it right!!!! They sent SMRTLs B sample to another lab and then it came back negative!!!

WRONG!!! LMAOOOOO. The "other lab" that it was sent to was the Quest lab, you idiot. Try doing some damn research.

So what it really looks like is ADP02 didn't do his research, as usual, and got his **** wrong. Ya big moron.


Now let's hear you say YOU WERE WRONG. COME ON...I KNOW YOU CAN DO IT! LMAOOOOOO!

[Dosumpthin]

I'm confused.

Question to Travestny and ADP02:


Diaz testing has ZERO to do with USADA.

WADA accredited labs perform WADA protocols for WADA signatories.

Just because NSAC or VADA uses the same lab doesn't mean the lab follows WADA ISL or ISTI guidelines and proceedures for samples.

Labs have their own policies in place for non signatories.


Example : ABP testing/monitoring is only done for signatories.



Did I miss something?


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