Everyone Wants to Talk About Floyd's IV - What About Pac-Monster's Toradol Abuse???

[Dosumpthin]

Doesn't matter about the toradol, because he didn't have it so you can argue as much as you like, the IV was taken so that's where the problem lies, that post above proves that money can change results, bet a few had their palms greased by TMT

How does money change things in this particular case?

1. NSAC has a well documented history of allowing visibly severely dehydrated fighters at the weigh in compete.

2. NSAC has a well documented history of allowing fighters to rehydrate via after weigh in.

3. NSAC own rules do not require a TUE or to be informed of IV use.


If anything this quote proves how much influence the media has:

1. Bob Bennet was influenced by the reaction to Thomas Hauser fictional editorial/questionnaire victor Conte/VADA propaganda "can boxing trust USADA".

2. Bob Bennet was unaware of WADA policies for signatories and that USADA MUST adhere to them in addition to NSAC rules.

3. NSAC was informed of the approved TUE by USADA in MAY - became PUBLIC knowledge when reported by KEVIN IOLE - yet Bob Bennett quote was in Sept after the the media hoopla and seemed to be shocked.




Bob Bennet got caught up, like we all did by Conte/hauser, and apologized to Floyd publicly - like he should've for anyone.

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So you now admit that the ISTUE is relevant?


But to reconcile admitting that you were wrong, you speculate that USADA was paid off?

Here's a question: If USADA was paid off to protect Floyd,

1. Why would he need an IV when they could tell him when the tests were coming and ensure that he has cycled through his PED's before any tests.

2. Why would they reveal his IV use to anyone? If they are so well paid off, they should keep their mouths shut, tell the labs that any finding of an IV is normal, and keep it moving.

3. Why would he have to apply for a TUE? I'm sure that for a hefty fee, they would work with him so that he would not create a paper trail of this alleged deceit. He would not have to involve 3 or more doctors on the TUEC in the process, as well as WADA.

What exactly did he pay for if he paid an extravagant amount to USADA, yet they couldn't hide any of his activity. In fact, because of the TUE, they even had to upload all of the information on a database and open it up to review by WADA. Does this make sense to you? A smart businessman paying for...absolutely nothing....EXCEPT DRUG TESTING.

Just like Lance Armstrong still had to go threw the process of getting tested and so on even though they were paying off the right people such as the UCI!!!

So now that we gave you a good example, you can now just say that you are WROOONG!!!!

Its possible for Floyd to have gotten a huge favor and that is why he got a RETRO TUE 3 weeks after the fight. That is a mighty rare thing for someone who was just fine at the weigh in and drank quite a bit of water!!!

Man you Floyd fans just talk nonsense!!!

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1. Is toradol allowed by NSAC without proof of an injury?

2. Is an IV permitted by WADA with a TUE?

3. SHUT UP BlTCH.

Toradol nor an IV should have been used without notifying the NSAC BEFORE the fight ..... The IV was supposedly used due to a serious medical condition.

ONLY Floyd used an IV without notifying the NSAC. Manny did not use Toradol!


That is the correct answer but you do not want to go there!

[travestyny]

Just like Lance Armstrong still had to go threw the process of getting tested and so on even though they were paying off the right people such as the UCI!!!

So now that we gave you a good example, you can now just say that you are WROOONG!!!!

Its possible for Floyd to have gotten a huge favor and that is why he got a RETRO TUE 3 weeks after the fight. That is a mighty rare thing for someone who was just fine at the weigh in and drank quite a bit of water!!!

Man you Floyd fans just talk nonsense!!!

LMAO. THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN IDIOTIC ARGUMENT AND IT STILL IS! FOR SOMEONE WHO CLAIMS TO DISLIKE SPECULATION, YOU SURE DO A LOT OF IT!

Look. Proving that one organization could be paid off does not prove that another organization WAS paid off. That's ****ing dumb. Furthermore, if you want to speculate, I can speculate with a bit more common sense than you and say that USADA was not paid off BECAUSE USADA WAS DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THE LANCE ARMSTRONG DOPING SCANDAL AND NOT ONLY WERE THEY NOT PAID OFF, THEY WENT AFTER HIM AND ALSO SHED LIGHT ON THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE UCI WAS PAID OFF.

That's why it's ****ing ****** to keep bringing up Lance Armstrong. Don't you agree? This is ****ing common sense.

[travestyny]

Toradol nor an IV should have been used without notifying the NSAC BEFORE the fight ..... The IV was supposedly used due to a serious medical condition.

ONLY Floyd used an IV without notifying the NSAC. Manny did not use Toradol!


That is the correct answer but you do not want to go there!

1. Manny Pacquaio did nothing wrong because he was STOPPED from doing something wrong.

2. Margarito did nothing wrong because he was STOPPED from doing something wrong.

Wait...that doesn't quite work that way, does it? lol. Though I will say that Margarito clearly had malicious intent and should have been punished. Manny Pacquiao, though everyone and their mother around him claims he didn't have an injury and thus it's clear to me he should have never tried to take this shot and I believe he did do it to gain an advantage, I'll admit I don't think he should have been punished for the attempt to take it.

3. Mayweather followed all rules, but you already knew that, right? Your argument against him is, and always has been, based on speculation.

A. USADA was paid off.
B. The TUEC was paid off.
C. The Refs were paid off.
D. The judges were paid off.
E. WADA was ignorant (yet they had all the documents that the TUEC had when they were required to make their decision).

Pretty sure you've stated all of these with no proof. The only entity that I'm not sure you've ever speculated was paid off was the lab doing the tests, though I wouldn't be surprised if I searched back and found you saying it somewhere. Oh...actually...

F. The lab was incompetent because using a specific gravity test allows cheaters to slip through the cracks (yet suddenly you don't want to discuss specific gravity anymore and you've provided no proof of this).

I'm the new Travestyny according to you. According to me, you are now Mr. Speculation.

[Shape up]

How does money change things in this particular case?

1. NSAC has a well documented history of allowing visibly severely dehydrated fighters at the weigh in compete.

2. NSAC has a well documented history of allowing fighters to rehydrate via after weigh in.

3. NSAC own rules do not require a TUE or to be informed of IV use.


If anything this quote proves how much influence the media has:

1. Bob Bennet was influenced by the reaction to Thomas Hauser fictional editorial/questionnaire victor Conte/VADA propaganda "can boxing trust USADA".

2. Bob Bennet was unaware of WADA policies for signatories and that USADA MUST adhere to them in addition to NSAC rules.

3. NSAC was informed of the approved TUE by USADA in MAY - became PUBLIC knowledge when reported by KEVIN IOLE - yet Bob Bennett quote was in Sept after the the media hoopla and seemed to be shocked.




Bob Bennet got caught up, like we all did by Conte/hauser, and apologized to Floyd publicly - like he should've for anyone.

Floyd wasn't visibly dehydrated------ all fighter rehydrate after the weigh in------- NSAC was informed 19 days after the fact, if there was nothing to hide why didn't usada mention it before the fight, they could have mentioned it when both parties were there to deliberate on the toradol shot------- bob Bennett said the same as usada rule says that he can't have it at home, prove he just got caught up

[travestyny]

Floyd wasn't visibly dehydrated------ all fighter rehydrate after the weigh in------- NSAC was informed 19 days after the fact, if there was nothing to hide why didn't usada mention it before the fight, they could have mentioned it when both parties were there to deliberate on the toradol shot------- bob Bennett said the same as usada rule says that he can't have it at home, prove he just got caught up

LMAO. I've explained this to you a billion times. You still can't seem to understand.

USADA was not there to deliberate on the toradol shot. USADA was not involved in the issue about toradol.

Furthermore, USADA sent NSAC information about TUEs on April 6th, nearly a month before the fight, and it stated that they would be notified about the approval of any TUE as soon as it was approved.

Lastly, IV rehydration is not found to be prohibited, regulated, or even mentioned anywhere in NSAC's rules.

[Shape up]

did bob bennett say he cant have it at home, yes or no, simple question for a simpleton

[travestyny]

did bob bennett say he cant have it at home, yes or no, simple question for a simpleton

Are you asking about Bob Bennett? The same Bob Bennett that said this:

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I'm going to make this real clear for you. Now see if you can follow along. I'm only going to use YOUR STUDIES.



1 liter of water is enough to dilute 8 fold, according to YOUR STUDY. Let's find out what that means for specific gravity.



So this same 8-fold dilution, which is achieved by drinking 1 liter of water, is what would bring down a person to a specific gravity of 1.003 according to YOUR STUDY. Ok. Got it? You following? Just for good measure:

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Ok, you sure you got it now? After 8-fold dilution, one liter of water, the subject is at 1.003 according to YOUR STUDY.

Nick Diaz:

9:36pm: Fight with Silva ends. He lingers in the ring. He does NOT drink while in the ring. Gives an interview. At some point he leaves. It's around 9:45 at least.

10:38pm: Slightly dehydrated at creatinine 168.4mg/dl. No conclusive evidence he was drinking water. Perhaps it didn't take effect yet? Ok.

11:55pm: Specific Gravity = 1.009

This means that he drank less than 1 liter of water? Correct? Correct? I mean, because 1.003 is 1 liter according to YOUR STUDY.

Now, you once tried to say that maybe in that short period of time, his specific gravity began to rise. Well according to YOUR STUDY:



So it takes about 8 - 10hours after fluid ingestion for hydration levels to begin returning to normal? Hmmm. Well, that's out the window.

Now let's look more closely at YOUR STUDY. You claim 400ng can be reduced to 50ng with just 1 liter, though you don't give a time. Ok. Let's cross reference this with an actual study to verify it. Again, this is from YOUR STUDY:

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Subject D began the study with 53ng of marijuana metabolite.

By the end of the study, subject D had drank 3.79liters of water and had a specific gravity that went as low as 1.001. This should have been enough to dilute from 400ng down to 50ng according to your study because it was A) More than 1 liter and B) more than 8-fold dilution.

However, Subject D only got the 53ng as low as 5ng. You can go look at any of the other subjects in the study as well. Let's take another one from YOUR STUDY just for the hell of it.

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Subject G finally gets 53ng down to 0ng after over 2 hours and almost 2 liters of water. The specific gravity is at 1.003. I don't have to tell you that is diluted by WADA standards.

So in conclusion, if YOUR STUDIES are correct:

1. They prove Nick Diaz didn't even drink 1 full liter of water because 1 liter would cause a specific gravity of 1.003.

2. Your studies show plenty of subjects drinking over 1 liter and diluting more than 8-fold, yet not one gets a value of over 300ng down to 60ng.

3. After drinking just 2 quarts of water, all subjects in YOUR STUDY were at a specific gravity equal to or lower than 1.006.

YOUR STUDIES PROVE YOU ARE WRONG!

YOUR THEORY:

Nick Diaz began drinking at 9:45pm at least, yet he is somehow slightly dehydrated at 10:38pm. He then continues to drink for the next hour and 17 minutes in the presence of 2 DCO's and his specific gravity shows less than 1 liter of water was taken.

Yea. I think you're done.

Wait a second!

While I'm happy that you put some thought into this but lets start with what Diaz's team said and you agreed.

TEST #2 to TEST #3
Diaz's team: "no medically plausible reason to have such a difference. severe water intoxication to drop if tried to drop so fast."

Diaz's lawyer: "can it be due to rehydrating that much? IS a swing that large medically plausible?

Diaz's MRO: "it would require massive consumption of fluids. We are talking in the order of several liters in a very short period of time. That has an affect on our body and causes hyponatremia. The sodium level drops too much or an electrolyte imbalance. Basically if not properly corrected it can lead to serious medical condition such as headaches, .....

If its from hydration alone its not medically plausible."


Too many "IFs" by this crack staff team.
They formulated this pathetic response and you agreed with it not being possible. THAT IS WHAT I WANT YOU TO ANSWER!!! GO!!!!