Doug Fisher on the Demographic, GGG haters, Racism and Bias in boxing

[TripleGFightFan]

why are people pretending that people arent standing with the fighters they are standing with because of their ethnic background????

HUMANS ARE TRIBAL.

BY NATURE.

= HUMANS ARE RACIST BY NATURE.

What you see in public when people arent racist are people lying to themselves holding back their true savage nature consciously and subconsciously.

I think we should just do a racial olympic medal count.

BLACKS
WHITES
ASIANS
LATINOS
NASTY TRANS

Who has won what.

Keep It Simple.

Stop beating around the bush....

Humans aren't racist by nature...race is a term and caste system made up by white people for the purpose of white privilege...8500 years ago there were no white people...if anything humans are prejudice by nature and that is a big difference because you can be prejudice against someone of the same "race"...

[Boxfan83]

He is over exaggerating the praise Wilder gets from fans that do not like GGG.

I use myself as the example, I am critical of GGG's resume and think Wilder is utter trash and post the same.

The problem some black people have is GGG's KO streak is praised despite it coming against subpar comp while Wilder's isn't. I think Wilder's comp is far worse than GGG's so I can understand why treating them as equal is a problem.

Much of the criticism of GGG is fair and his fans need to accept that. The criticism that is unfair they need to accept as well because they did the same thing in the past with boxers like Ward and Floyd.

Yeah IDK why Wilder is being brought up because I dont hear that much clamor as to Wilder being the next TBE. I myself am a fan of Wilder but I like him because I think he is good for the Sport of boxing. I want him to do well because I want the sport to do well especially in the USA where it is dying. I think Wilder is an Ace in Haymons sleeve but for some reason he dont want to show it yet which is a shame.

As for GGG people have every right to be critical he hasnt beaten anyone of note really but to not acknowledge he is skilled or is not doing what he is supposed to is also absurd. My biggest drawback form GGG is his fans. What gets to me is how they can say hes the best MW ever or things of that nature. Personally I think its a slap in the face to great/legendary not just black fighters but other MW's but most tend to be black. Thats what upsets me. At the same time this is a different era and I dont see GGG doing anything anyone else isnt doing and taking advantage of the system, fighting lesser opponents for big pay etc etc etc but in that token I dont see good opposition dying to jump in the ring with him too.

And for people to downplay Floyd is absurd he accomplished a lot but he also paved this generational mindset that GGG is taking advantage of. And as a Ward fan I kinda have to disagree, I dont think Ward hate comes from his opposition, I doubt anyone would say Froch & Kessler were weak opponents, I think his style upsets people the most at least from what I get and that could be a whole other thread lol

[Sweet Jones]

Sorry dude, but you're exactly the type of person that Fisher is talking about. I respect Ward as fighter, but to say that he carries himself with absolute class is laughable. Ward talks alot of ****, his fight against Kessler was as classless as it gets, he has a reputation as a primadonna to deal with, which is rightfully earned over a decade plus.
Sure, he's not Carlos Monzon or SRR, but he's far from 'absolute class'.


This has nothing to do with black or white. It's about RIGHT or WRONG. And don't get me started that it's how the media portrays black folk. You have your blinders on and have no idea what you're talking about.

Ward has been getting opportunities that Golovkin could only dream of through his career. Ward got paid 2 million dollars to fight Paul Smith, who was a 40th ranked contender from Britain. Do you know what Golovkin had to do to make the same money? He had to fight a Top5 champion on PPV.
And that doesn't prevent the lot of you from prancing around here singing "golovkin ppv flop mr.97k" which only shows that you have no idea how basic math and finances work.
Ward was also involved Nike's 25th anniversary of "Just do it" commercial, along some of the greatest athletes ever. He also just had a role in the movie this year after not doing ANYTHING to deserve it in over 5 years.

On top of all of this, Ward, still to this day, whines about his promoter and how he was in a dispute, yadda yadda. He was suing his promoter after Goosen put him on the map with S6 and got him all the advantages possible in that tourney. Then Ward went on and sued a dying man because he felt 'disrespected'.
Well guess what kiddo? Golovkin was also involved a promotional dispute. But his situation was SLIGHTLY (this is sarcasm btw) different. His promoters refused to give him a shot at Sturm. Golovkin stayed as Sturm's mandatory for 2 damn years, and still ended up getting screwed out of that title shot.

Except instead of whining about his promoter and blaming him for all of his problems like Ward still does, Golovkin packed his bags and his family, and moved them to another nation for the SECOND time in his life.


Golovkin has worked for every god damn thing he's earned. He's relocated twice, makes efforts to learn the language and the culture, still travels all over the world to build a name for himself, and is asking for big fights. While Ward sits at home and complains about how HBO is 'forcing' him to move up , while trying to fight Rohan Murdochs and Alexander Brands.

And the saddest thing is that boxing has so many fans that are either complete morons, or closet racists (the 'demographic that Fisher talks about), that instead of respecting a fighter who's working to promote the sport, most of you troll the forums trying to find the lamest reasons to discredit him. It's sad and pathetic, and is one of the biggest contributors to the decline of the sport.

I pretty much stopped at the part in bold. Because the Andre Ward you just railed against only exists in your brain.

But this is to be expected. Somehow, Andre Ward has now become 'classless' and a 'primadonna', which fits into years old hardwired stereotypes. He's now the 'pampered' athlete who was handed 'unearned' kudos and opportunities, while GGG comes from 'hardscrabble' roots and had to 'work' for everything he 'earned'.

Hell, you might as well call Ward 'sullen' too, that's an old favorite from your grandpa's era.

This is just classic. But then again, you are EXACTLY the target audience for Fischer's column. He dog whistled, and your Pavlovian response wasright on cue.

Good luck with that.

[SilverMiles]

He's right for the most part. There's no other demographic of fans that act that way. And you can say all you want about other nationalities support their nation but they don't troll the Internet in the shear numbers that those fans do.

The biggest difference is some are emotionally attached to fighter beyond the ring and that tends to make them much more annoying, persistent, and prejudice towards other fighters.

[Fetta]

I base my opinions of fighters on their talent, their character & their guts. Neither their ethnicity nor race has a damned thing to do with it.

[Boxfan83]

Ya ves! Es verdad, carnal. I see this too. And if you really want to look at all the Race baiting threads you can find a select few who always have something racial to say. Floyd the hero of this board thrived off of playing the race card to his advantage to earn money. Remember the HBO contract he turned down claiming it was a 'slave Contract" . Same with the Pacquaio comments about "eating rice' , but OH he just playing doe. " Look GGG , Canelo , Kovalev and to a less extent , Lomachenko are good fighters , but they get sooo much hate on these boards, Undjustly i might add.

Its hypocrisy brother! I see it all the time, I think Fat Dans lil rant couldve been summed up as certain boxing fans are F'n hypocrites. I dont hate on Floyd for making $ or his career as an athlete or what he did or said as a boxer. What I dont like is the career path he paved that other boxers or his groupies think these modern day guys should take. NOT EVERYONE IS FLOYD MAYWEATHER, SO DONT TRY TO EMULATE HIS CAREER!!! This should be at the bottom of every PBC fighters contract. What he did or said should be no ones concern, in my eyes everyone trying to do the same is the watered down version or poor mans version of him. Fans need to let that era go just like fans need to let the Hagler, Hearns, Duran, & Leonard era go. This is a new era, hopefully these boxers realize this because if not it leaves the door open for a lot of criticism.

And yeah man I dont get teh hate for Lomencheko hes a talent. GGG is doing what boxing fans should want. Kovalev in my eyes deserves some hate, he comes off as a bigot but as a Ward fan I acknowledge hes good, Im actually quite nervous about that fight even though I have faith in Wards ability. And Canelo, well he dug his own grave tbh, Ive never been a fan since his win over Matthew Hatton, I tried to like him but this wholl GGG thing came about and I dont see the big deal about a red head Mexican, I get hynas being a brown haired 1 lol!

[Teetotaler]

Nothing but facts. Reported.

[The Hammer]

Doug Fischer is a good man.

He tells the truth here.

[Godsfly]

golovkin has fought no one.........even a 147 cotto had a much bigger resume & even he got ****ted on. golovkins wins doesn't translate into p4p 3.

he's fighting a welterweight as his toughest challenge to date at the age of 34.

& this is racist if u point this out? of course he is gonna have a good amount of haters u ret@rd. (look at what cotto had at 147 with a BIGGER resume) fisher has been a paid troll for many years so not surprising.


& he doesn't know anything blacks in america so thats just hilarious.


go back to the burbs & beg on your knees for hand outs again.


no one takes fisher seriously. even fat dan is on espn and fishers career have gone to the turds in a dark alleyway. even that fat **** dan is laughing at fisher. fisher comes off like a know it all & no one wanted to professionally work with him because he's irritating. fisher is the kinda guy that will argue with a pro boxer about how a punch should feel while the boxer is telling him how it actually felt as oppose to reading a book about it.


fisher is a book worm clown that has no experience with real life situations........

[Publius]

I always find it interesting to see how people react to articles like this, which invert the typical narrative on racism in America.

The reactions tend to be inverted as well. In this case, it is the minority group who downplays the issue of race or deflects, and the majority group who piously and uncritically agrees with the content of the article.

Normally it's the other way around of course. Society constantly berates people with a set racial narrative, and it's rare to find an article like this which flips that narrative on its side.

It doesn't really matter who is right or wrong though. Ultimately your reaction to racial issues is a reflection of your race. There's nothing wrong with that.

What's dangerous is when people are on the one hand proud of their own race but then on the other hand demand that other races not be proud as well. That's troubling.