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  • #31
    White people know rob arum fixes fights!

    Originally posted by Boxing Logic View Post
    I wouldn't say it like that but certainly whites have much less of a "white pride" culture to create a rooting interest in boring fights than many black boxing fans have a "black pride" culture that does create a rooting interest for them to be entertained by boring fights, so long they include black fighters who are winning.

    Because whites don't have a "white pride" culture, they essentially have no "home team" to root for in boxing. This means they can only watch boxing like a neutral fan watches the NFL, and like the neutral fan, their entertainment is completely dependent on the game being competitive and aesthetically exciting.

    However, because many blacks do believe in a "black pride" culture, they do have a "home team," a rooting interest, in boxing. This means they can watch boxing the way a Lakers fan watches the Lakers: no matter how bad the game is, so long as the Lakers are winning, the Lakers fan is entertained and happy.
    Or, even if the game is 50-48 in the 4th quarter, with the Lakers trailing, the Lakers fan can still watch on the edge of his seat, filled with suspense, because he has a rooting interest, a personal stake, in the outcome. Meanwhile the neutral fan has fallen asleep.

    That's the real difference. Because whites don't have a "tribe pride" racial culture, they can't watch individual sports, like boxing or UFC, with a rooting interest most of the time. This means their entertainment rests completely on the entertainment quality of the product they are watching, as a neutral. Since UFC offers way more competitive match-ups, it's natural the neutral viewer, such as most white combat sports fans, would gravitate more towards UFC. But since many black fans do believe in a "tribe pride" racial culture, they do have natural rooting interests even in individual sports, so long as the matchups involve fighters from their "tribe," so their entertainment is not dependent on the entertainment quality of the product they are watching, it's simply dependent on on their racial rooting interest and seeing their "tribe" win, by any means necessary.

    This is why no matter how much Floyd Mayweather ducked and admitted to hand-picking opponents, no matter how much Mayweather or Andre Ward held, measured, ducked below the waist, and otherwise fouled, broke boxing rules, and ruined the entertainment quality of the fights they were in, many black boxing fans have still supported them because from their "tribe pride" rooting interest point of view, they don't care about any of that, they just care that someone from their "tribe" is winning or they can say he's the best.

    It's like Portugal at the recent Euros in soccer. Everyone who was neutral criticized their super defensive style of play, how it was terrible soccer to watch, but when they won, the Portuguese people didn't care about any of that. They didn't even care about it while they were watching the games before they ultimately won, because they still felt suspense and entertainment watching these defensive struggles simply because it was their own team, and they had a rooting interest. The same exact concept applies here. Many black boxing fans see every black boxer as part of their "tribe," their home team, so it doesn't really matter what strategies the fighters they see as "theirs" employ, or how entertaining the fights are to watch for a neutral fan, or a boxing purist. All that matters to them is that their "home team" wins, and that they can say their "home team" is the best. Even if that claim is not remotely accurate, they have such a rooting interest that they want to believe it's true, so they convince themselves. It is textbook bias but that's how it works. Just like many Houston Rockets fans tried to argue James Harden was better than Lebron James for the MVP two years ago, and so on. People with a bias will try to convince themselves, because it's what they want to believe.

    So that is what is truly going on. "Tribe pride" within much of the black boxing fanbase, and obviously within Mexican boxing fanbases, Puerto Rican, and so forth. The one group that isn't taught to have "tribe pride" by our culture is white people, so they have no built-in rooting interest for individual sports, and as a result their entertainment rests completely on the quality of the matchups, not on any rooting interest. And UFC regularly has the more competitive matchups, so that's where more white fans of combat sports have been forced to gravitate in recent years.

    It really is that simple. I have observed this phenomenon for years and everything adds up, everything checks out. I have no doubt at all after paying attention to this for awhile now that this is what is happening, the exact opposite of what Bob Arum believes. But then again his PPV sales are in free-fall, he barely has any good fighters left anymore within his own sport, and now there's a completely separate sport which is also putting his business to shame. It's natural that he's bitter and looking for a scapegoat, and it seems the one socially acceptable scapegoat for everything in 2016 is white people.

    So I give credit to Bob Arum for promoting some of history's most important boxing matches, and no boxing fan alive today will ever forget the historic career of Manny Pacquiao which Bob Arum helped facilitate, but this attitude of his scapegoating a mostly neutral segment of boxing fans just because it's easy, or most politically correct these days, because of his own biases or bitterness about the combat sports business, is unfair, and either misguided or misinformed as to what the real situation is, take your pick.
    WHITE PEOPLE REMEMBER ALL THE FBI INVESTIGATIONS INTO ARUM AND TOP PRANK FIXING FIGHTS AND MESSING WITH THE WEIGHING MACHINES AT WEIGH INS! PROOF BELOW....

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sport...tigation_x.htm

    http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jan/09/sports/sp-arum9

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sport...-gibbons_x.htm

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Boxing Logic View Post
      You have no idea what you're talking about. There are plenty of independent MMA sites that do their own rankings. Moreover, the UFC system is based on results. The promoter still looks to make the best matchups, and listen to the fans, but there is also a ranking systems. The promoter may choose to make #2 vs #4 instead of #2 vs #3 because it makes the better fight, or works better for the card they are promoting in a certain part of the world (they would prefer a Brazilian fighter for a card in Rio, and so on), but #2 vs #4 is still much more "best vs best" than what we normally see in boxing. And then the #3 guy will get his shot at #1 instead of #5, and if he wins keep moving up.

      So yeah you're misinformed on this. The UFC's rankings aren't perfect, none are, but their rankings, and the matchups they promote from them, are 1000000000% better and more consistent than what we see in boxing today.
      And there are plenty of boxing sites that have their own rankings. Which rankings does the MMA use and what rankings do the sanctioning bodies use? Each uses their own rankings. The UFC removes guys from rankings during contract negotiations. McDonald just got removed from their rankings. So are you going to tell me he's no longer one of the top welterweights in the world? He isn't ranked by the UFC. The UFC claims the best fight the best. So how can the best only fight the best when one of the best isn't in their promotion? If Arum told you Vargas, Bradley, and Pacquiao are the three best welterweights in the world would you believe him? And when was the last time UFC worked with another promoter? THE UFC DOESN'T HAVE WORLD CHAMPIONS. THE UFC BELTS ARE FAKE. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A UFC CHAMPION. IT'S ALL FAKE
      Last edited by Motorcity Cobra; 09-01-2016, 01:37 AM.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Motorcity Cobra View Post
        Arum's business model has always been built towards Mexicans anyway. And how can he say that when one of his most beloved fighters is filipino? White people loved Pac.
        Everybody from Whites to Blacks to Hispanics to of course Asians liked Manny. Certain fighters transcend the race and nationalities.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by ComicDon View Post
          Everybody from Whites to Blacks to Hispanics to of course Asians liked Manny. Certain fighters transcend the race and nationalities.
          I agree, like Ali. Bob is full of shit

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          • #35
            Originally posted by JASON SHAW View Post
            Pbc is having a great year and arum and all the fan boys like steve kim chi cant stand it hahahahahahaha
            A great year?!?! Been a bunch of mismatches for the most part

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            • #36
              Originally posted by bigdramashow View Post
              A great year?!?! Been a bunch of mismatches for the most part
              What mismatches? There have been some blah fights but I don't recall any blatant mismatches.

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              • #37
                What Bob's saying is true. Heck, it's been obvious for a while now. There are plenty white europeans in the top level mix but hardly any white Americans. I really don't know why some folks have a problem with this observation.

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                • #38
                  Bob Arum stating the obvious.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Motorcity Cobra View Post
                    What mismatches? There have been some blah fights but I don't recall any blatant mismatches.
                    didnt spence just beat up an old man on it? wilder fighting some fat, shot arreola?

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                    • #40
                      and just read arums interview, what a load of crap. People are abandoning the sport left right and centre because the sports going down the toilet due to promoters like you, nothing to do with lack of a white american fighter.

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