Comments Thread For: Arum Reflects on Mayweather's IV, Pacquiao Shoulder Shot Scandal

[travestyny]

USADA said that they(Manny) should have notified NSAC if they had a medical condition. USADA did not use that same tone with Floyd.

With Hauser, USADA kept on protecting Floyd.

Just because you do not see it ...... its obvious though.





Same goes with USADA. Remember that for some of you, it was OK that Floyd had no TUE because Floyd declared his IV use. Well here are 2 athletes who declared the use of an IV yet still got sanctioned for not having a TUE ..... BOOM!

USADA is tough when it comes to athletes using an IV, except for Floyd.


U.S. Weightlifting Athlete, Phillips, Sanctioned for Anti-Doping Rule Violation - IV method
During an out-of-competition test on April 25, 2016, Phillips, 25, declared the use of an intravenous infusion of non-prohibited substances. A subsequent investigation by USADA revealed that the intravenous infusion received by Phillips was administered in a volume greater than 50 mL within a 6 hour period under the care of a physician.
Under the USADA Protocol volume greater than 50 mL within a 6 hour period are prohibited – except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures or clinical investigations. Intravenous infusions or injections received in any other setting require an approved The****utic Use Exemption (TUE).





UFC Athlete, Penn, Sanctioned for Anti-Doping Policy Violation - IV method
During an out-of-competition test on March 25, 2016, Penn declared the use of an intravenous infusion of a non-prohibited substance.
A subsequent investigation by USADA revealed that the intravenous infusion received by Penn was administered in a volume greater than 50 mL within a 6 hour period.
Penn, 37, voluntarily disclosed his use of the intravenous infusion and fully cooperated with USADA’s investigation into the circumstances regarding his violation.

Under the UFC Anti-Doping Policy, intravenous infusions in a volume greater than 50 mL within a 6 hour period are prohibited, except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures or clinical investigations. Intravenous infusions received in any other setting require an approved The****utic Use Exemption (TUE).

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LMAO. You got your facts messed up, homie.

1. It was not USADA's responsibility to tell NSAC anything. Bob Arum said his lawyers informed NSAC. Did he not? So what's the problem?

2. Seems your 2 athletes informed USADA after the IV. Why would there need to be an investigation to find out the amount if USADA was aware at the time? THATS NOT WHAT Floyd did. Floyd informed them BEFORE the IV. They were with him during the IV.

BOOM. Thought you had something important, didn't you? GO AWAY!

[ADP02]

LMAO. You got your facts messed up, homie.

1. It was not USADA's responsibility to tell NSAC anything. Bob Arum said his lawyers informed NSAC. Did he not? So what's the problem?

2. Seems your 2 athletes informed USADA after the IV. Why would there need to be an investigation to find out the amount if USADA was aware at the time? THATS NOT WHAT Floyd did. Floyd informed them BEFORE the IV. They were with him during the IV.

BOOM. Thought you had something important, didn't you? GO AWAY!

Did you read what was said?

I'm sure that they were more dehydrated than Floyd was and required the IV to rehydrate their body way more than 1-2lbs which was Floyd's case.


There was an investigation.
That is what we wanted USADA to do with Floyd's case but instead accepted a RETRO TUE about 3 weeks later. Instead they just rubber stamped and approved it. Why no investigation?

Secondly, just like Floyd, none of them had a TUE when they declared the IV.

USADA sanctioned the athletes since they used the IV without an approved TUE.
"Under the UFC Anti-Doping Policy, intravenous infusions in a volume greater than 50 mL within a 6 hour period are prohibited, except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures or clinical investigations. Intravenous infusions received in any other setting require an approved The****utic Use Exemption (TUE)."


Floyd had no TUE approved just like those 2 athletes. It helps that Floyd knew USADA.


Also,
"During an out-of-competition test on March 25, 2016, Penn declared the use of an intravenous infusion of a non-prohibited substance."

and

"Penn’s period of ineligibility began on March 25, 2016, the date on which he admitted his anti-doping policy violation to USADA"


So it was stated on the same day as the DCO went to collect a sample! ........ BOOM!





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[travestyny]

Did you read what was said?

I'm sure that they were more dehydrated than Floyd was and required the IV to rehydrate their body way more than 1-2lbs which was Floyd's case.


There was an investigation.
That is what we wanted USADA to do with Floyd's case but instead accepted a RETRO TUE about 3 weeks later. Instead they just rubber stamped and approved it. Why no investigation?

Secondly, just like Floyd, none of them had a TUE when they declared the IV.

USADA sanctioned the athletes since they used the IV without an approved TUE.
"Under the UFC Anti-Doping Policy, intravenous infusions in a volume greater than 50 mL within a 6 hour period are prohibited, except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures or clinical investigations. Intravenous infusions received in any other setting require an approved The****utic Use Exemption (TUE)."


Floyd had no TUE approved just like those 2 athletes. It helps that Floyd knew USADA.


Also,
"During an out-of-competition test on March 25, 2016, Penn declared the use of an intravenous infusion of a non-prohibited substance."

and

"Penn’s period of ineligibility began on March 25, 2016, the date on which he admitted his anti-doping policy violation to USADA"


So it was stated on the same day as the DCO went to collect a sample! ........ BOOM!


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Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. Are you aware of the facts in Floyd's case, and aware of what a retroactive TUE is? Stop embarrassing yourself.

[ADP02]

mofo's swear pac needs to be specific of what he means by weakness but mofo floyd here cant even answer why he needed the IV. "uh uh say that again", "uh uh leonard could answer that" LMAO!!!



Fools swear pac needs to be specific on what he means but Floyd himself couldn't even explain why he needed the IV!! But when it comes to pac, he needs to be specific on what he means. See the hypocrisy here.

Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. Are you aware of the facts in Floyd's case, and aware of what a retroactive TUE is? Stop embarrassing yourself.

Yup, RETRO TUEs are something that USADA does not easily give out except for Floyd! ............ BOOM!


Floyd's case? We have lots of info on that and you know it. NOTHING makes you say, "Poor Floyd must have been so dehydrated losing all that weight. Thank God he had an IV, or else who knows what would have happened"

Sorry but nobody buys that BS from Floyd's side.

Reporter: Why the TUE for the IV?
Floyd/Ellerbe: "Some athletes use Pedialyte (Floyd used an IV)"
Floyd/Ellerbe: "IV was just for rehydration, just rehydration."
REporter: "But you're normally not struggling to make weight, so why the IV"
Floyd/Ellerbe: "Floyd wasn't struggling to make weight"
Floyd/Ellerbe: "You gotta remember that he is working out, having to give blood, give urine ..... it was NOTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY"


Lets face it. We are more informed than anyone else when it comes to Floyd's medical condition:
- Floyd's vital signs were all NORMAL. This is important as they state to get a RETRO TUE, there had to be a "Significant change"
- Weight was rock solid stable for 30 days and Floyd admits even in the above video, he did NOT struggle to make weight. NSAC, WADA, USADA and studies tell Floyd to drink just a couple of cups of fluid per pound lost. So nothing that was impossible for Floyd to do and we BOTH saw him do just that after the weigh in.
- The above video and on other videos they bring up that it was dehydration and why.
- Pre-fight form, had no other serious medical conditions.


Its a wrap ..... USADA should have sanctioned Floyd just like those 2 other athletes. They all declared it to USADA but only Floyd got a RETRO TUE.


EDIT: read one guy got the IV from a doctor to hopefully treat his "Chronic" medical conditions - "vertigo, motion sickness , vision issues (lens from a previous cataract).



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[Dosumpthin]

Manny lost the most important fight of his career with the world watching

That's pretty much sums it up.

The expectations were too high for some diehard Manny fans. It's sad to see the impact that it has had on their lives.

[Dosumpthin]

Yup, RETRO TUEs are something that USADA does not easily give out except for Floyd! ............ BOOM!


Floyd's case? We have lots of info on that and you know it. NOTHING makes you say, "Poor Floyd must have been so dehydrated losing all that weight. Thank God he had an IV, or else who knows what would have happened"

Sorry but nobody buys that BS from Floyd's side.

Reporter: Why the TUE for the IV?
Floyd/Ellerbe: "Some athletes use Pedialyte (Floyd used an IV)"
Floyd/Ellerbe: "IV was just for rehydration, just rehydration."
REporter: "But you're normally not struggling to make weight, so why the IV"
Floyd/Ellerbe: "Floyd wasn't struggling to make weight"
Floyd/Ellerbe: "You gotta remember that he is working out, having to give blood, give urine ..... it was NOTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY"


Lets face it. We are more informed than anyone else when it comes to Floyd's medical condition:
- Floyd's vital signs were all NORMAL. This is important as they state to get a RETRO TUE, there had to be a "Significant change"
- Weight was rock solid stable for 30 days and Floyd admits even in the above video, he did NOT struggle to make weight. NSAC, WADA, USADA and studies tell Floyd to drink just a couple of cups of fluid per pound lost. So nothing that was impossible for Floyd to do and we BOTH saw him do just that after the weigh in.
- The above video and on other videos they bring up that it was dehydration and why.
- Pre-fight form, had no other serious medical conditions.


Its a wrap ..... USADA should have sanctioned Floyd just like those 2 other athletes. They all declared it to USADA but only Floyd got a RETRO TUE.

Keep taking that snippet out of context to fit your agenda?


- Reporter ask about the iv and mentioned "saline solution".

- Floyd never truly understood the basis of question and answered about the type of solution he used to rehydrate which is saline - as opposed to Pedialyte.

Floyd was not attempting to justify the method - they were reponding to question of why did they use saline.



But what ever pact@rd. I know you'll keep ignoring the facts.


By the way, where is that TUE bob said he received from usada?

[ADP02]

Keep taking that snippet out of context to fit your agenda?


- Reporter ask about the iv and mentioned "saline solution".

- Floyd never truly understood the basis of question and answered about the type of solution he used to rehydrate which is saline - as opposed to Pedialyte.

Floyd was not attempting to justify the method - they were reponding to question of why did they use saline.



But what ever pact@rd. I know you'll keep ignoring the facts.


By the way, where is that TUE bob said he received from usada?

What are you talking about .... speculating or deflecting? The reporter said it slowly and repeated the question.


Floyd/Ellerbe looked like lost puppies and didn't know which lie to use.


You were better off bringing up "Allergies". At least I would get a good laugh!

[Dosumpthin]

What are you talking about .... speculating or deflecting? The reporter said it slowly and repeated the question.


Floyd/Ellerbe looked like lost puppies and didn't know which lie to use.


You were better off bringing up "Allergies". At least I would get a good laugh!

Allergies?

No. I believe Floyd had irritable bowel syndrome. Anxiety on the biggest career payday and how to spend all that money have him the *****s.

[travestyny]

Yup, RETRO TUEs are something that USADA does not easily give out except for Floyd! ............ BOOM!


Floyd's case? We have lots of info on that and you know it. NOTHING makes you say, "Poor Floyd must have been so dehydrated losing all that weight. Thank God he had an IV, or else who knows what would have happened"

Sorry but nobody buys that BS from Floyd's side.

Reporter: Why the TUE for the IV?
Floyd/Ellerbe: "Some athletes use Pedialyte (Floyd used an IV)"
Floyd/Ellerbe: "IV was just for rehydration, just rehydration."
REporter: "But you're normally not struggling to make weight, so why the IV"
Floyd/Ellerbe: "Floyd wasn't struggling to make weight"
Floyd/Ellerbe: "You gotta remember that he is working out, having to give blood, give urine ..... it was NOTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY"


Lets face it. We are more informed than anyone else when it comes to Floyd's medical condition:
- Floyd's vital signs were all NORMAL. This is important as they state to get a RETRO TUE, there had to be a "Significant change"
- Weight was rock solid stable for 30 days and Floyd admits even in the above video, he did NOT struggle to make weight. NSAC, WADA, USADA and studies tell Floyd to drink just a couple of cups of fluid per pound lost. So nothing that was impossible for Floyd to do and we BOTH saw him do just that after the weigh in.
- The above video and on other videos they bring up that it was dehydration and why.
- Pre-fight form, had no other serious medical conditions.


Its a wrap ..... USADA should have sanctioned Floyd just like those 2 other athletes. They all declared it to USADA but only Floyd got a RETRO TUE.


EDIT: read one guy got the IV from a doctor to hopefully treat his "Chronic" medical conditions - "vertigo, motion sickness , vision issues (lens from a previous cataract).

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So.....was the USADA DCO with the athletes when the IV was given?

[Dosumpthin]

So.....was the USADA DCO with the athletes when the IV was given?

Destroyed him with one question.


Hahahahaha.