Comments Thread For: Arum Reflects on Mayweather's IV, Pacquiao Shoulder Shot Scandal

[ADP02]

1. If the WADA spokesperson commented on this issue, wouldn't that make it clear that WADA is fully aware of the issue?

2. Does WADA not have the TUE application as well as the reasoning that the TUE was accepted?

3. You say USADA was helping Floyd. Why the hell would they send paperwork with false information to WADA, knowing WADA can dole out sanctions if things weren't done correctly? That would be ******.

4. I showed you that all of those things can contribute to dehydration. By the way, the WADA spokesperson said a TUE can be granted for an IV to combat dehydration. In fact, the WADA spokesperson said that when commenting about this issue involving Floyd.


I think the case is closed.

1. Nope, it was just a general question about IVs and dehydration.
a) No they commented on whether an IV can be used for hydration. We both know the answer to that by now.
Yes you can but there is a criteria that needs to be met.

"However, the spokesperson added: “This case is not one that is monitored by WADA because the World Boxing Council is not a signatory to the Code."

b) Also, how can this person know about the details about this specific case when the process declares that its all confidential and independent ..... and there is no mention of who is being reviewed?



2.
a) WADA review is optional.

b) If they would be reviewing, what they look for is if the procedures (WADA standards and protocol) were followed. They would not be looking very deep unless it was obviously badly written up application.

c) If they did review/investigate the case, we would more than likely hear about it just like any other high profile case.


3. Floyd's Dr Alex Ariza said that IV was a must due to Floyd's medical condition. Floyd requested the RETRO TUE almost 3 weeks after the fact. USADA approved it soon after (next day). USADA just rubber stamped it without really following thru with finding out if what was stated in the application was truthful.
WADA would not be able to find anything if the application was written up properly.

4. I responded to this on point 1.

No, giving urine, giving <1 tablespoon of blood 10 days before the IV, exercising a little bit is NOT a good reason to get an IV.

Actually, the above points were brought up by Floyd, Floyd fans and USADA for 5+ years. For 5+ years, the above was not acceptable reason for Manny but now its acceptable reason for Floyd???? ..... you Floyd fans have the nerve to even go there, its just crazy!!!

Also, if that is an acceptable criteria, then not only Floyd but every athlete can do the same and get an IV but we both know that only FLoyd can get that kind of exception.



Case reopened!

[ADP02]

hahaha. For Manny, it's just a concern.

The man apparently believed giving blood 14 days before a fight would affect him on fight night. Also believed he lost a fight because he gave blood 2 days before the fight and said it made him feel weak IN THE RING.

You are actually trying to justify this???

Lets do this in reverse order.
Morales fight, Manny had to give blood. It was not for PEDs testing (<1 tablespoon). The amount taken was supposedly for Manny's medical exam which was lost.

Manny Pacquiao: “Yeah, including the blood test, they took my blood, then its done. So I went back to my training until the fight, then I was already reducing my intake(fluids and food to make weight). The next day, it’s the weigh-in, it was 2 days before the fight. I didn’t eat, I didn’t drink water because my weight was right on. Now, all of a sudden, the commission called asking for my blood for the ‘medical’. I said ‘why, we’ve done that’. My camp reacted, my trainer ‘Coach Freddie’, even my manager ‘Shirley’ reacted why are they asking for my blood since we’ve done it. They said that the Doctor said he lost my medical record.”

And you know, after they took blood from me. I felt dizzy, the back of my head started hurting. The doctor said to drink a lot of water, but I couldn’t drink water, I couldn’t eat, so I just lied down and had it massaged.”

Dong Puno: “So, by fight time, you really felt your body weakened?”

Manny Pacquiao: “Yeah, I really felt it. When I was hitting Morales with my punches. I said to myself that if this is the only power I have, I won’t be able to knock Morales down.”

Dong Puno: “You know, Morales said that after the fight, He said that he didn’t feel any power from your punches.”

Manny Pacquiao: “That’s much better because he doesn’t how much power I have yet.”

Dong Puno: “Haha, so next time, you’ll make him feel it.”




Very few people including Manny fans thought that after 14 days it would be affecting Manny. There was a poll back then and both Floyd and Manny fans just wanted Manny to sign the fight just so we can get to see the fight. Then when Manny accepted the 14 days cutoff, Floyd fans didn't like that cutoff anymore even if it meant that the fight would be off due to Floyd's continuous changes to his "Golden rule".

But what some Manny fans did bring up is that during those 14 days, training would still happen and it can affect his training for the fight. Floyd and his fans didn't see that to be an issue nor did USADA because they said that giving <1 tablespoon of blood shouldn't affect. Furthermore they said the closer to the fight it gets, the less the athlete would be exerting himself.

Now think of what Floyd said.

You questioned Manny with 14 days and 2 days before a fight
BUT for you to even bring these questions up is crazy! Floyd said that giving blood affected him 10 days later. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT LIE????




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[travestyny]

1. Nope, it was just a general question about IVs and dehydration.
a) No they commented on whether an IV can be used for hydration. We both know the answer to that by now.
Yes you can but there is a criteria that needs to be met.

"However, the spokesperson added: “This case is not one that is monitored by WADA because the World Boxing Council is not a signatory to the Code."

b) Also, how can this person know about the details about this specific case when the process declares that its all confidential and independent ..... and there is no mention of who is being reviewed?



2.
a) WADA review is optional.

b) If they would be reviewing, what they look for is if the procedures (WADA standards and protocol) were followed. They would not be looking very deep unless it was obviously badly written up application.

c) If they did review/investigate the case, we would more than likely hear about it just like any other high profile case.


3. Floyd's Dr Alex Ariza said that IV was a must due to Floyd's medical condition. Floyd requested the RETRO TUE almost 3 weeks after the fact. USADA approved it soon after (next day). USADA just rubber stamped it without really following thru with finding out if what was stated in the application was truthful.
WADA would not be able to find anything if the application was written up properly.

4. I responded to this on point 1.

No, giving urine, giving <1 tablespoon of blood 10 days before the IV, exercising a little bit is NOT a good reason to get an IV.

Actually, the above points were brought up by Floyd, Floyd fans and USADA for 5+ years. For 5+ years, the above was not acceptable reason for Manny but now its acceptable reason for Floyd???? ..... you Floyd fans have the nerve to even go there, its just crazy!!!

Also, if that is an acceptable criteria, then not only Floyd but every athlete can do the same and get an IV but we both know that only FLoyd can get that kind of exception.

Case reopened!

Aren't you tired of speculating and giving false information.

The TUE along with the reasons that it was approved must be sent to WADA. Again, why would USADA involve WADA in this if they were doing something illegal? You still haven't answered that.

WADA clearly heard about the issue, as I stated. WADA also has all of the documents available to them, as I already stated. WADA has the right to review any documents they want. We already know this. So why are you still crying. You got shot down already. Give up.

Stop crying about giving blood. It was stated that it contributed to his dehydration. I already proved that it could do just that. So stfu already. You didn't deny that it can contribute to dehydration, did you? Don't make me post the info again.

Any athlete can apply for a TUE, which by the way everyone and their mother has already stated is part of the ISTUE. Going further, a retroactive TUE is a part of the ISTUE. You keep trying to claim Mayweather did something wrong, yet WADA and USADA stated openly that he didn't. All the people involved in this...WADA, Nevada, USADA, say that you are wrong. Time for you to give up.

[travestyny]

Lets do this in reverse order.
Morales fight, Manny had to give blood. It was not for PEDs testing (<1 tablespoon). The amount taken was supposedly for Manny's medical exam which was lost.

Manny Pacquiao: “Yeah, including the blood test, they took my blood, then its done. So I went back to my training until the fight, then I was already reducing my intake(fluids and food to make weight). The next day, it’s the weigh-in, it was 2 days before the fight. I didn’t eat, I didn’t drink water because my weight was right on. Now, all of a sudden, the commission called asking for my blood for the ‘medical’. I said ‘why, we’ve done that’. My camp reacted, my trainer ‘Coach Freddie’, even my manager ‘Shirley’ reacted why are they asking for my blood since we’ve done it. They said that the Doctor said he lost my medical record.”

And you know, after they took blood from me. I felt dizzy, the back of my head started hurting. The doctor said to drink a lot of water, but I couldn’t drink water, I couldn’t eat, so I just lied down and had it massaged.”

Dong Puno: “So, by fight time, you really felt your body weakened?”

Manny Pacquiao: “Yeah, I really felt it. When I was hitting Morales with my punches. I said to myself that if this is the only power I have, I won’t be able to knock Morales down.”

Dong Puno: “You know, Morales said that after the fight, He said that he didn’t feel any power from your punches.”

Manny Pacquiao: “That’s much better because he doesn’t how much power I have yet.”

Dong Puno: “Haha, so next time, you’ll make him feel it.”




Very few people including Manny fans thought that after 14 days it would be affecting Manny. There was a poll back then and both Floyd and Manny fans just wanted Manny to sign the fight just so we can get to see the fight. Then when Manny accepted the 14 days cutoff, Floyd fans didn't like that cutoff anymore even if it meant that the fight would be off due to Floyd's continuous changes to his "Golden rule".

But what some Manny fans did bring up is that during those 14 days, training would still happen and it can affect his training for the fight. Floyd and his fans didn't see that to be an issue nor did USADA because they said that giving <1 tablespoon of blood shouldn't affect. Furthermore they said the closer to the fight it gets, the less the athlete would be exerting himself.

Now think of what Floyd said.

You questioned Manny with 14 days and 2 days before a fight
BUT for you to even bring these questions up is crazy! Floyd said that giving blood affected him 10 days later. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT LIE????

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No ******. It was stated that it contributed to his dehydration.

So you really believe Manny was still affected 2 days later? Feeling weak from giving blood 2 days later? Fine before giving blood, gives blood 2 days before a fight and the doctor tells him what to do...then 2 days later he feels groggy in the ring? Give me a break.

Would he be feeling weak 14 days later? You are trying to justify this?

If it wasn't for WADA being involved, via USADA, this wouldn't have been an issue at all. Mayweather agreed to fight, and he won. Your boy, on the other hand, refused to fight over a 14 day cut off date. 14 days!!!!! He also gave an excuse about being weakened 2 days after giving blood. You actually believe him? Don't you notice now that he gives an excuse after every loss?

[ADP02]

No ******. It was stated that it contributed to his dehydration.

So you really believe Manny was still affected 2 days later? Feeling weak from giving blood 2 days later? Fine before giving blood, gives blood 2 days before a fight and the doctor tells him what to do...then 2 days later he feels groggy in the ring? Give me a break.

Would he be feeling weak 14 days later? You are trying to justify this?

If it wasn't for WADA being involved, via USADA, this wouldn't have been an issue at all. Mayweather agreed to fight, and he won. Your boy, on the other hand, refused to fight over a 14 day cut off date. 14 days!!!!! He also gave an excuse about being weakened 2 days after giving blood. You actually believe him? Don't you notice now that he gives an excuse after every loss?

Is this just another one of your deflections?

******? I have been telling you "contributed" (giving urine, giving < 1 tbps of blood 10 days before and a bit of exercise) a million times. Its you that keeps on forgetting what Floyd says and brings up other stuff.


Once people found out that they would only take < 1 tablespoon, most people on both sides didn't think that it would have affected him for 14 days. Just training perhaps on the day of the test .....
Furthermore, the 2 sides were not that far apart as far as cutoff dates were concerned. They could have compromised and gone a few days longer/less with those cutoff dates and a deal could have and should have been made.

Besides the extra testing, the problem is that Floyd and company ACCUSED Manny of being a PEDs cheat. That didn't help at all and more than likely killed the first round of negotiating

So I answered your question several times now.

So if you think that 14 days and in fact, you are even questioning 2 days before the Morales fight then you cannot keep on saying that Floyd was truthful that 10 days after giving blood that it still contributed to his severe dehydration to the point of requiring an IV? Right?



BTW - Manny before the Morales fight was different. It was not a PEDs test. It was more of a blood works type test where they take out quite a bit of blood out of you. PLUS, during the fight, Manny was bleeding a lot from the cut.

Secondly, Manny is talking about his optimal power/performance. He could still fight but he felt that his punches were lacking the usual power to be able to put someone down or hurt badly his opponent. Morales even said it that Manny's punches were not hard. The other 2 fights between them put some truth into Manny's statements.

"After donating 450 mL (1 U) of whole blood, plasma volume falls 7% to 13%, then recovers within 24 to 48 hours". "He notes that many variables make it difficult to predict how much or how long donating a pint of blood will affect athletic performance. However, he notes that recovery after blood donation is fairly fast. Eichner writes: "In my anecdotal experience, maximal performance can return to normal within 1 to 2 weeks, and surely returns to normal after 3 to 4 weeks."



Floyd on the other hand wants to have us believe that after 10 days an IV was a must. Like I said, if you have problems with Manny then you definitely MUST have one with Floyd!

[WesternChamp]

i just dont get why he keeps trying to argue that giving blood 2 days out shouldnt make you weak, but floyd gave blood 10 days out and still needed an IV. is he not seeing this????? LOL

[ADP02]

i just dont get why he keeps trying to argue that giving blood 2 days out shouldnt make you weak, but floyd gave blood 10 days out and still needed an IV. is he not seeing this????? LOL

That's why I have been calling him "OLD" and "NEW" Travestyny.

We initially discussed Floyd's IV scandal then later on we discussed Manny's injury and how severe it was. Its like 2 different people are posting.

[travestyny]

i just dont get why he keeps trying to argue that giving blood 2 days out shouldnt make you weak, but floyd gave blood 10 days out and still needed an IV. is he not seeing this????? LOL

There is a difference between giving blood contributing to dehydration and claiming an instance of giving blood made you weak 2 days later. One clearly is describing a form of chronic dehydration. Pacquiao is not saying he had chronic dehydration. He is saying that instance of giving blood made him weak in the ring.

And he said that's why he wouldn't agree to 14 days.

Understand now, or no?

[WesternChamp]

Symptoms of Dehydration in Adults
The signs and symptoms of dehydration range from minor to severe and include:

Increased thirst
Dry mouth and swollen tongue
Weakness
Dizziness
Palpitations (feeling that the heart is jumping or pounding)
Confusion
Sluggishness fainting
Fainting
Inability to sweat
Decreased urine output

someone on this page said dehydration and weakness is 2 different things. LOL!!!

mofo's swear pac needs to be specific of what he means by weakness but mofo floyd here cant even answer why he needed the IV. "uh uh say that again", "uh uh leonard could answer that" LMAO!!!

[WesternChamp]

maybe i missed it but did floyd himself said he suffer from chronic dehydration either??? LOL!!!!! with manny, "he needs to be specific on what he means"! LOL!!