Comments Thread For: Arum Reflects on Mayweather's IV, Pacquiao Shoulder Shot Scandal

[WesternChamp]

The whole point of this is that both fighters would not be able to perform at their highest level. Pac said that it will make him weak having to give blood so close to the fight (2 days out). Floyd or should I said ellerbe said that Floyd was dehydrated that's why he needed the IV (10 days out) why does Floyd gets a pass for this but Manny is lying? See the hypocrisy here.

[WesternChamp]

mofo's swear pac needs to be specific of what he means by weakness but mofo floyd here cant even answer why he needed the IV. "uh uh say that again", "uh uh leonard could answer that" LMAO!!!



Fools swear pac needs to be specific on what he means but Floyd himself couldn't even explain why he needed the IV!! But when it comes to pac, he needs to be specific on what he means. See the hypocrisy here.

[travestyny]

mofo's swear pac needs to be specific of what he means by weakness but mofo floyd here cant even answer why he needed the IV. "uh uh say that again", "uh uh leonard could answer that" LMAO!!!



Fools swear pac needs to be specific on what he means but Floyd himself couldn't even explain why he needed the IV!! But when it comes to pac, he needs to be specific on what he means. See the hypocrisy here.

Your problem is either 1 or both of the following.

1. You lack common sense.
2. You are so biased against Mayweather that you are incapable of thinking rationally.

I already proved #2. Perhaps #1 is correct as well.

Floyd/Ellerbe are stating the reasons for dehydration. These reasons include:
1. Working out
2. Drug testing.

Obviously the main reason for the dehydration is working out. Even if you had no common sense to figure that out, you just posted the damn video of Ellerbe saying "and also remember he's doing drug testing." This should make it clear that this is not a main reason, but a contributing factor. Also, it should make it clear that he means the condition was taking place over time. ADP02 would like for blood to be mentioned as a main reason to fit his agenda, but what he doesn't realize is that no one is ****** enough to fall for his butthurt agenda besides you.

On the other hand, Pacquaio is saying he was fine before giving blood...and it made him so weak that 2 days later he was still weak during the fight.

:-|

He then doubled down on that idiocy by saying he won't allow drug testing 14 days before the fight because it could weaken him during the fight.

:-|


I dare you to try to cosign that bullshlt.

Meanwhile, I can give information about the chronic or accumulative nature of dehydration. How about from NSAC?

The implications [of dehydration] can be severe if not corrected, particularly in Nevada’s dry climate.

If the sweat is not rapidly evaporated such as in humid environments, higher sweating will occur to accomplish the cooling effects. Sweat contains a large amount of sodium and chloride (salt). If an athlete is already in a dehydrated state, the sweat concentrations of sodium and chloride are further elevated thereby increasing the body’s salt loss. (1)
http://boxing.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/b...ation10-08.pdf

I'm not even going to post information on chronic dehydration. I've done so plenty of times already. Go look it up yourself.

Any more questions?

[WesternChamp]

No, floyd didnt state anything. The video is even posted as proof! Ellerbe was the one that had to explain why floyd needed the IV. But when it comes to pac, you needed him to be very specific of what he means by being "weak".. hypocrites!! LOL

[WesternChamp]

How do you know the main reason of dehydration is working out???? were you there with floyd to see that?? so once again your going by his words and using it as facts. plus why would he still be working out so hard to the point where he was dehydrated from it? floyd fans said the last week is when a fighter wind down and relax his body. This was the reason the floyd fans used when pac said he doesnt wanna give blood so close to the fight because it'll make him weak because he'll still be training, etc.

[WesternChamp]

so i guess this was the first time floyd had to give blood then? LOL!

he didnt have any of these issues is his previous fights right?

i mean most people thought he lost to maidana in the first fight. the rematch, you would imagine floyd had to train extra hard to prove that he won the first match. so why wasnt he dehydrated in that fight? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[travestyny]

Is this just another one of your deflections?

******? I have been telling you "contributed" (giving urine, giving < 1 tbps of blood 10 days before and a bit of exercise) a million times. Its you that keeps on forgetting what Floyd says and brings up other stuff.

If you're agreeing that it can contribute to dehydration, which has been proven by the way, then what the hell is the problem? You want to make it sound like he's saying this is a main cause of his dehydration. It contributed to his dehydrated state. Is there really any reason to talk about this anymore? You were wrong. Just accept it.

Once people found out that they would only take < 1 tablespoon, most people on both sides didn't think that it would have affected him for 14 days. Just training perhaps on the day of the test .....
Furthermore, the 2 sides were not that far apart as far as cutoff dates were concerned. They could have compromised and gone a few days longer/less with those cutoff dates and a deal could have and should have been made.

Besides the extra testing, the problem is that Floyd and company ACCUSED Manny of being a PEDs cheat. That didn't help at all and more than likely killed the first round of negotiating

Nice try. Roach already told us who was at fault. How about stop trying to blame it on other shlt instead of what really happened. Pacquiao refused to accept the 14 day cut-off. That's why the fight was not made. Don't you dare try to give reasons why this was valid. Roach already exposed Pac's team.

So if you think that 14 days and in fact, you are even questioning 2 days before the Morales fight then you cannot keep on saying that Floyd was truthful that 10 days after giving blood that it still contributed to his severe dehydration to the point of requiring an IV? Right?

Wrong. Have you learned anything about chronic dehydration yet? Are you aware of the accumulative effect of dehydration? I already posted this information for you enough. If you're trying to argue that someone who becomes dehydrated cannot be made more dehydrated by further working out and doing drug testing, I suggest you go back and review the links I've provided you. Manny isn't arguing that. He's saying he was fine and then his giving blood 2 days before the fight weakend him during the fight. That's idiocy and you know it.

BTW - Manny before the Morales fight was different. It was not a PEDs test. It was more of a blood works type test where they take out quite a bit of blood out of you. PLUS, during the fight, Manny was bleeding a lot from the cut.

Now you are going to speculate about how much blood they took out for a medical? Really? You are unbelievable. Tell me. How much blood was taken out?

And him being cut in the fight is irrelevant. Come on, man. You are smarter than that. I don't even know why you tried to add that in. This is extreme desperation.

Secondly, Manny is talking about his optimal power/performance. He could still fight but he felt that his punches were lacking the usual power to be able to put someone down or hurt badly his opponent. Morales even said it that Manny's punches were not hard. The other 2 fights between them put some truth into Manny's statements.

Who cares what he is talking about. He said he didn't want to fight if blood was taken 14 days before.

"After donating 450 mL (1 U) of whole blood, plasma volume falls 7% to 13%, then recovers within 24 to 48 hours". "He notes that many variables make it difficult to predict how much or how long donating a pint of blood will affect athletic performance. However, he notes that recovery after blood donation is fairly fast. Eichner writes: "In my anecdotal experience, maximal performance can return to normal within 1 to 2 weeks, and surely returns to normal after 3 to 4 weeks."

hahahahhaa. Are we talking about donating, or a medical exam????? You believe he gave 450ml of blood? One pint of blood???????

Was he preparing for a blood transfusion? Please stop embarrassing yourself!

Floyd on the other hand wants to have us believe that after 10 days an IV was a must. Like I said, if you have problems with Manny then you definitely MUST have one with Floyd!

Was blood the main issue for Floyd, or something that contributed to his dehydration? Maybe you'd have a point if he said, "I was dehydrated because I was giving blood." He didn't say that.

Sorry. Your post reeks of desperation and is simply laughable. You going to keep trying, or give up?

[travestyny]

No, floyd didnt state anything. The video is even posted as proof! Ellerbe was the one that had to explain why floyd needed the IV. But when it comes to pac, you needed him to be very specific of what he means by being "weak".. hypocrites!! LOL

Who said I needed him to be specific? He said he felt weak from giving blood...2 days later.

He gave one reason for his weakness. Giving blood.

What did Mayweather/Ellerbe say?

He was dehydrated because of WORKING OUT, and also participating in blood and urine tests.

You dummies just exposed yourselves. If you don't believe the blood work would cause such weakness, then you don't believe Manny.

Meanwhile Floyd's team mentioned working out as the main reason and gave contributing reasons for dehydration. I think you dummies need time to reconvene and think of another angle.

[travestyny]

How do you know the main reason of dehydration is working out???? were you there with floyd to see that?? so once again your going by his words and using it as facts. plus why would he still be working out so hard to the point where he was dehydrated from it? floyd fans said the last week is when a fighter wind down and relax his body. This was the reason the floyd fans used when pac said he doesnt wanna give blood so close to the fight because it'll make him weak because he'll still be training, etc.

Your boy ADP02 posted a video the day before the fight where Floyd clearly states he needs to rest his legs. Was he still running in Nevada? Did he have chronic dehydration?

I already posted what Nevada has said. Should I post it again?

What the hell:

One important factor is the environment that you exercise in:
The implications can be severe if not corrected, particularly in Nevada’s dry climate.

If the sweat is not rapidly evaporated such as in humid environments, higher sweating will occur to accomplish the cooling effects. Sweat contains a large amount of sodium and chloride (salt). If an athlete is already in a dehydrated state, the sweat concentrations of sodium and chloride are further elevated thereby increasing the body’s salt loss. (1)
http://boxing.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/b...ation10-08.pdf

[WesternChamp]

in the video where floyd talks about how his training is going 24hrs before the pac fight this is what he has to say. no where did he mention about over training, being dehydrated LOL. so once again you're assuming what happen and using it as facts LOL.

"I'm not one particular fighter that has drained himself 20 or 30 pounds. I'm a fighter that walks around at 150, 148...I'm extremely happy with everything...right now, my house is real, real peaceful and that's the way I like it," stated undefeated pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather, who invited FightHype.com into his home less than 24 hours before he steps into the ring to face Manny Pacquiao.


didnt you said floyd came into the pac fight at 149? so if he says he doesnt have to drain himself 20-30lbs and he walks around at 148-150. why would he be dehdrated when you said he came into the fight at 149??? so he came into the fight at his "walking weight" then right? LOL.

notice the part where he says he's extremely happy with everything? LOL.. why no mention about being over worked and feeling dehydrated?