Comments Thread For: Arum Reflects on Mayweather's IV, Pacquiao Shoulder Shot Scandal

[travestyny]

The report criticized and found weaknesses including in WADA, NADO, LABs, ....

Is this not recommendations from 2013??? It's WADA's job to stay on top of these types of things. I don't know what you think you are proving. You aren't proving anything of relevance to Floyd's case. So WADA needs to keep on top of their shlt. Good job.

What kind of a question is that? Looking for another loop hole? Yes, they mention both Substances and methods. Its about the testing programs lack of effectiveness. Methods fall into that, of course.

All I see is a RECOMMENDATION about what medications should receive a TUE. So WADA had a panel do this report in 2013 just for fun, or did they consider the recommendations. You're being ridiculous.

The report mentions a lot of things that you close your eyes to. From their report, it states that ADO's such as USADA often just tries to comply at the bare minimum. That is the case with Floyd ... and if this report says this then it must be happeneing.

It's the case with Floyd because you say so? You have no facts, no proof. Nothing. Why don't you just say it's your speculation.

"WADA is unable to do more than report on non-compliance when aware"

So are you saying that there will be no sanctions if USADA doesn't comply with the WADA protocol?

Weaknesses Observed: Retroactive TUEs are frequently issued
Retroactive TUEs should be permitted only for gluco-corticosteroids and asthma medications and may be reported as negative only with the written approval of WADA.

So let me get this straight. In the case of hyponatremia where hypertonic saline is needed (you should be an expert on this by now, I assume), an IV should not be allowed? Great. Let the athlete die.

Fight of the Century is just 2 athletes. WADA was recently criticized on other scandals that involved hundreds of athletes.
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You're just making up bullshlt. Are you trying to say WADA wasn't aware of this case and was too busy to get involved in any way?

YOU are WRONG! Stop fooling yourself!

What does the sentence before what you highlighted in red say? TUEC is established by ADO which means that USADA established their TUEC. So how independant can that really be? They even state "Ideally" independant then go on to discuss when its NOT independant .... so to say, they realize that its not really independant.

Your problem is that you don't understand what is meant by independent. VADA chooses which WADA accredited labs to use. Does that mean the labs are not independent?

Not sure where you are getting this "ideally independent" thing from. Here, it clearly states that the TUEC IS independent:

"Each the****utic use exemption request is reviewed by a The****utic Use Committee (TUEC), a panel of independent physicians responsible for granting or declining such applications."
http://www.222.casper207.com/files/a...0-%20Watts.pdf

There is a conflict between your statement in which may have come from USADA and this:
" Will the information on the athlete's TUE Application remain confidential?

All the information contained in a TUE Application will be kept strictly confidential, the same as any medical information normally kept by your doctor. All members of the The****utic Use Exemption Committee (TUECs) are required to sign confidentiality agreements and if they require advice from other scientific experts on a particular case, your name is not used when circulating the application outside the TUEC.

What's the conflict? USADA says they applicant's ID is not revealed to the TUEC. Not sure why you see a conflict with the statement.

And about the confidentiality agreements, there are exemptions. Guess who are part of the exceptions?
"With the exception of authorization by virtue of my office, or the express authorization of [Person in charge of your organization]"

Are you referring to the TUEC? Go read up on WADA again, buddy. It says the TUEC members are required to sign the confidentiality agreement.

USADA went to organizations to let them be aware that even though they lose a lot of weight and of course will be drained, they still would not be allowed to use an IV for recovery. That is what they were told.

Dude, the rules have been in effect for a long time and the rules are clear. IV rehydration is prohibited WITHOUT A TUE.

Floyd's IV: Floyd got a RETRO TUE 3 weeks after the fact.
WHo has a better case in getting an IV,
Floyd whose weight is rock solid stable for 30 days and admits to making weight easily or the ones that even Floyd admits, are drained after losing so much weight? So to say, if Floyd can get it then they all should be able to EASILY!!! Get a doctor to state that you are drained and need an IV and voila, you got it!

The athlete who has a better case is the one that can prove the need of an IV to the TUEC and have it pass through WADA, as Floyd did. Simple. No need for speculation.

Except for those who used it to mask PEDs, why else were all these athletes using IVs before USADA walked in their door with the bad news? They needed an IV because they were drained from dehydrating 10-15-20+lbs.

If you do not get that, how are you able to think Floyd can use an IV and not these others?

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Are you privy to Floyd's medical condition that was obviously noted by the independent TUEC and sent in to WADA? Didn't think so.

Like I keep on telling you, do not act so naive about this.

This would be you as a Lance Armstrong fan:
FAN - Let me understand your logic. So you are saying that Lance paid off UCI, LABs, doctors, event organizers, WADA, ADOs, teammates .....? This is ******

In Lance's time there was no EPO test, which is why he was able to cheat. Paid of WADA? Are you serious? The tests that he paid his way out of was apparently due to him paying off the UCI. Again, the system that Floyd was placed in doesn't work that way. There are a network of independent en****** that would have to be gone through.

REALITY: Lance influenced many of those and paid off many of those people

Who exactly did Lance pay off? Do tell, because I think you are just pulling shlt out of your ass.

FAN - How could Lance mask when the DCO came without any notice? You are going to tell me that he paid off the NADO? DCO?
REALITY: Many times Lance was warned 20-30 minutes in advance.

Whose test was it? Who warned him? Why was USADA still up his ass?

FAN: The rule is that Lance would be monitored by the DCO. So let me get this straight. Only was is if the DCO was paid off because its not possible that Lance was able to use an IV.
REALITY: At times even with the DCO present, an IV was smuggled right under the DCO's nose so that Lance was able to use an IV to mask. Other times Lance just delayed getting tested.

Yea, because Floyd smuggled his IV instead of getting approval ahead of time. Oh wait, that's not right, is it?

FAN: but Lance was tested 100s of times and results came back negative each and every time. So that means Lance is clean.
FAN: Lance was investigated and came back clean ..... what are you smoking, its all speculation!
REALITY: Lance was not clean

When did the EPO test first come out? How many tests did he REALLY pass. What was the nature of these tests?

FAN: UCI allows RETRO TUE with RETRO Prescriptions when there is a valid medical condition. UCI reasoning for being lenient is that it should not matter if you get the information before or after a legit medical condition has been properly diagnosed by Lance's doctor. Anyways, you do not have Lance's medical results and until you do, its all speculation!
REALITY: Lance was using PEDs and RETRO TUE was not legit!

WRONG. Already showed you that what he did was against UCI's rules. Don't know why you keep making shlt up.

FAN: They cannot track Lance's samples. It only has a number not Lance's name.
REALITY: WADA got in hot water here. It was reported that WADA got a hold of Lance's sample (results) from the past and they came back positive! How did they know it was Lance's sample when a sample/results only has a number not Lance's name on it! That is what UCI said about WADA and wanted to get an explanation from WADA but WADA refused.

SO WADA was able to get the information after the fact. Ok? How does this relate to Floyd at all??? Just more of your speculation?

IV and RETRO TUE for everyone!!!

Including Manny, right? According to Arum. What you don't realize is that the bullshlt you type is so full of speculation that it can apply to any athlete. It's merely fiction on your part. All made up scenarios.

You have no facts at all. Once again, do you really think WADA hasn't heard of this controversy? Please tell me what you think.

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

Man I still cant believe mayweather cheated, he was gonna go down as one of the the greatest now he is just another one of "THOSE" cheaters!

Chalk him up with

Andre Berto
Anthony Peterson
Jleon Love
Mickey Bey
Antonio Tarver
James Toney
Roy Jones
Shane Mosley
Richard Hall
etc etc

[travestyny]

So who do you believe, Floyd from 2011 or Floyd from 2015?
"A lot of times, people don't realize, giving blood doesn't make you weak. Not being able to juice because you have to give blood makes you weak. That's what a lot of people don't realize and don't know."

I've seen you post this again and again. Why don't you try putting it in the proper perspective.

What did he say right before this quotation? Let me remind you:

"The Mayweather-Pacquiao fight didn't get made because Manny Pacquiao said he wanted two weeks of non-testing," Mayweather states in the interview.

"The last two weeks leading up until the fight, he didn't want to take the tests, so that's why the fight didn't happen. Everything they asked of me, I agreed and what I asked of them, they didn't agree," he continues.


So tell me. Does giving blood 2 weeks before a fight lead to weakness ON THE DAY OF THE FIGHT?

Also, while you're at it, does giving blood contribute to dehydration?

Let's see if you can answer some simple questions to see who is really full of shlt.

[ADP02]

Dude, you have no proof. Your whole argument is based on speculation due to your hatred of Floyd.

NSAC: Once again, they have NEVER diagnosed a fighter with dehydration, which is ASTOUNDING since everyone knows fighters deal with dehydration ALL THE TIME. It's not about being nice to NSAC. It's about NSAC not dealing with dehydration AT ALL. You can't deny this! You are arguing that he should have written in "Dehydration" when asked if there was a serious medical condition. Really? Is NSAC then supposed to go back and review all the cases where fighters didn't list their dehydration. Do you expect dehydrated fighters to do this now? It's not going to happen, and you know it. This would definitely be something that could put the fight in jeopardy because then NSAC would be responsible in the case that something goes wrong in the ring. If you're saying that they should monitor dehydration more, ok. I have no problem with that. Many others have said the same. As for Pacquiao, it blatantly asked if he had a shoulder injury that needed evaluation. He could have simply replied yes and got his doctor to state that he was at normal strength and ready to go. Just as his doctor did state!

NSAC didn't investigate Floyd because there is no proof he cheated. Actually, there is proof that he didn't cheat being that he passed 19 drug tests. NSAC DID beef with USADA. In the end, they were satisfied.

TUEC: So much more speculation on your part. The TUEC, according to the rules, are not given any names when they review the TUE application. You said they need not be paid off, then in the same paragraph say they would be paid handsomely with perks!!! So...they would have had to be paid off in order to help Floyd cheat. Again, that's 3 more people that didn't need to know about this that are privy to Floyd cheating, if I am to go along with your story.

Payment: By Mayweather Promotions. We've gone through this already. Same as when Top Rank pays VADA.

Russians: Not sure why this is relevant.

Yes, give up. This is not about IF someone can possibly cheat. Pacquiao could have possibly cheated too. We are not here to discuss speculation, right. We are looking at the facts.

NSAC: Wrong. They have and that is why before they had same day weigh ins and now the day before.


Blatant? Floyd was directly asked if he had medical condition. Floyd didn't let them know then nor any time before the fight.

Secondly, who knows what was really in those IVs? Oh wait. The DCO was watching the whole thing so we are good.

Lastly, you keep on talking from both sides of your mouth. Floyd, like Lance, has to notify the NSAC but didn't. You were all over Lance but OK with Floyd!



TUEC:responded to this in previous post

[ADP02]

I've seen you post this again and again. Why don't you try putting it in the proper perspective.

What did he say right before this quotation? Let me remind you:

"The Mayweather-Pacquiao fight didn't get made because Manny Pacquiao said he wanted two weeks of non-testing," Mayweather states in the interview.

"The last two weeks leading up until the fight, he didn't want to take the tests, so that's why the fight didn't happen. Everything they asked of me, I agreed and what I asked of them, they didn't agree," he continues.


So tell me. Does giving blood 2 weeks before a fight lead to weakness ON THE DAY OF THE FIGHT?

Also, while you're at it, does giving blood contribute to dehydration?

Let's see if you can answer some simple questions to see who is really full of shlt.

Floyd of 2011 said if someone says that giving blood makes you weak, he is on PEDs

Floyd of 2015 said giving < 1 tablespoon of blood 10 days before, contributed to him requiring an IV.



So your quote had 2 weeks, Floyd's IV scandal was 10 days! Is that your problem?

[travestyny]

NSAC: Wrong. They have and that is why before they had same day weigh ins and now the day before.


Blatant? Floyd was directly asked if he had medical condition. Floyd didn't let them know then nor any time before the fight.

Secondly, who knows what was really in those IVs? Oh wait. The DCO was watching the whole thing so we are good.

Lastly, you keep on talking from both sides of your mouth. Floyd, like Lance, has to notify the NSAC but didn't. You were all over Lance but OK with Floyd!



TUEC:responded to this in previous post

1. Who has NSAC ever found to be dehydrated before a fight. Please let me know. Which fighter has ever declared him/herself to be dehydrated on their NSAC report form. Please let me know.

2. That's idiotic. He was drug tested after the IV. Obviously whatever was in them would show up on the tests.

3. Both sides of my mouth? NSAC themselves said Floyd did nothing wrong, so I don't think you know what you are talking about. It's obvious that they don't care about dehydration.

4. Your response about the TUEC was weak. You should try again.

[b00g13man]

How is it possible to have one man have such an impact on your life, resulting in you doing nothing else but post about him? I'll never understand it.

[travestyny]

Floyd of 2011 said if someone says that giving blood makes you weak, he is on PEDs

I just showed you what he said about 2 weeks. You're still making up lies.

Floyd of 2015 said giving < 1 tablespoon of blood 10 days before, contributed to him requiring an IV.

Why didn't you answer the question. Does giving blood contribute to dehydration?

So your quote had 2 weeks, Floyd's IV scandal was 10 days! Is that your problem?

I know that you aren't ******. There is a huge difference here. Pacquiao was unwilling to fight because of the threat of having to give blood 2 weeks before a fight. You, of all people, should find that su****ious, right? Righttttt?

Now answer the question. Does giving blood contribute to dehydration? Yes or no? It's a simple question.

[travestyny]

Sorry but Floyd/Ellerbe volunteered to tell us on multiple interviews that he was dehydrated and why he was and that is why he needed an IV.

As the day goes on, we lose hydration through sweat and urination. It is essential to replace lost hydration if you want to keep your body operating at its best.

One of the biggest components of a whole blood donation (as well as the blood in our bodies) is plasma. Plasma is made up almost entirely of water. The body immediately begins to replace the fluid portion lost after you donate. Essentially, all the hydration in your body will go towards replacing and building back up what the phlebotomist just took out.
http://blog.inceptsaves.com/blog/201...onating-blood/

Is this information incorrect, or am I missing something?

[Spoon23]

Man I still cant believe mayweather cheated, he was gonna go down as one of the the greatest now he is just another one of "THOSE" cheaters!

Chalk him up with

Andre Berto
Anthony Peterson
Jleon Love
Mickey Bey
Antonio Tarver
James Toney
Roy Jones
Shane Mosley
Richard Hall
etc etc

Sad ain't it. best off all, with all that advantages he gets in Vegas (no need to elaborate). He decided to run and hugged for 12 rounds of excruciating borefest of a marathon event against a handicapped Pac that had a torn rotator cuff. pathetic. SMH