Comments Thread For: Arum Reflects on Mayweather's IV, Pacquiao Shoulder Shot Scandal

[ADP02]

Spoon23, you are still trying to resurrect PAC??? Your loyalty is more than commendable.

Has ADPO chimed in yet?

Like you I haven't been posting much lately. I am gonna post every now and again just on topics I find idiotic or extremely interesting.

This is an idiotic discussion.

Why should I be left out while you and the others have all the fun!

[ADP02]

Pac never refuted the claim made by his trainer and promoter that he was scared of needles.

Floyd Sr called Floyd scared on the night of the fight. Must be true then because Floyd never refuted it.

[travestyny]

I guess you are either still on a long trip or do not live in Queens. According to the time you posted, it was still Saturday night in Queens.

Why the hell are you worried about where I'm at? I'm from Queens NY. it doesn't mean I'm currently there. I don't see why this is so important to you.

[Zaroku]

Why should I be left out while you and the others have all the fun!

Was worried you missed out on the discussion. Throw in your 2 cents buddy.

Funny we go back a long time.

Glad to see you online!

[Dosumpthin]

You are too funny. Every time you get caught, you call me out instead of looking in the mirror.

The only person that should be "embarrassed" and is "pulling SH$t out of your ass" is YOU! YOU are the one who kept on bringing up "HYPERTONIC SALINE FOR SYMPTOMATIC HYPONATREMIA" since WADA said its the type of case where it would be acceptable. Now that I pointed out that its all BS and that there is no way that Floyd could have had that, you want me to read?

As I kept telling you but you still go there, Floyd in no way had this issue so stop it. Even what you put in bold says that "Proper interpretation of the various laboratory tests helps to differentiate the various types of hyponatremia". Floyd did not do that.

Even his IV which consisted of saline and vitamins should throw this possibility out but again, Floyd would have then gone to a hospital setting, got properly tested and had lab results, then they would know which type of HYPONATREMIA it was. Floyd would more than likely have been monitored in the hospital for a while and the fight may have had to have been cancelled. For sure if the conclusion is that it was as bad as WADA's example.

Floyd was not doing no marathon on the day of the weigh-in. That would have been ******. Floyd is in a setting where he was in control of the situation. He could drink and eat what he could have as long as he made weight and he made weight EASILY, according to FLOYD!!!

Dr Ariza was monitoring Maidana closely before his fight with Floyd but I'm quite sure that Floyd would have been pampered (monitored) even more in the last few days leading up to the fight. There is video of Floyd even asking what he should drink. It was all carefully managed.




Now, one more time:
The doctor that was available and Floyd thanked was Dr Alex Ariza . Start with this information and you will soon realize that Floyd was NOT dehydrated to the point where he needed an IV.





Floyd's application was sent to WADA. I told you that WADA does not have a special wand that can magically determine that there was a well planned cover-up.

Here is an obvious case that has gone on for a while but WADA only followed thru once they were pressured due to media, athletes and so on coming out ... even then they didn't go far enough, people have criticized:
"Some athletes from other countries have criticized WADA, alleging that the agency has been reluctant to investigate Russia despite multiple tips over several years. WADA officials stated that the agency lacked the authority to carry out its own investigations .... the letter (by many groups of athletes and people) criticized the WADA organization for inaction and silence until the media became involved and said that athlete confidence in the anti-doping system had been "shattered".

So WADA doesn't know about the millions of Pact@rds crying foul. Lol.


I remember you saying it was "impossible" to grant a retro TUE according to WADA rules.


All anyone ever did was prove you wrong - as usual - and point out that WADA CODE states there are medical conditions or circumstances that would justify IV rehydration.


And don't forget diarrhea. That's listed as well. Remember?


No one is claiming to know the medical condition. Just pointing out that you and Thomas Hauser doesn't know what the **** you're talking about.


Now get on the phone and contact WADA and let them know about MAY VS PAC.

[travestyny]

You are too funny. Every time you get caught, you call me out instead of looking in the mirror.

The only person that should be "embarrassed" and is "pulling SH$t out of your ass" is YOU! YOU are the one who kept on bringing up "HYPERTONIC SALINE FOR SYMPTOMATIC HYPONATREMIA" since WADA said its the type of case where it would be acceptable. Now that I pointed out that its all BS and that there is no way that Floyd could have had that, you want me to read?

As I kept telling you but you still go there, Floyd in no way had this issue so stop it. Even what you put in bold says that "Proper interpretation of the various laboratory tests helps to differentiate the various types of hyponatremia". Floyd did not do that.

Even his IV which consisted of saline and vitamins should throw this possibility out but again, Floyd would have then gone to a hospital setting, got properly tested and had lab results, then they would know which type of HYPONATREMIA it was. Floyd would more than likely have been monitored in the hospital for a while and the fight may have had to have been cancelled. For sure if the conclusion is that it was as bad as WADA's example.

Floyd was not doing no marathon on the day of the weigh-in. That would have been ******. Floyd is in a setting where he was in control of the situation. He could drink and eat what he could have as long as he made weight and he made weight EASILY, according to FLOYD!!!

Dr Ariza was monitoring Maidana closely before his fight with Floyd but I'm quite sure that Floyd would have been pampered (monitored) even more in the last few days leading up to the fight. There is video of Floyd even asking what he should drink. It was all carefully managed.




Now, one more time:
The doctor that was available and Floyd thanked was Dr Alex Ariza . Start with this information and you will soon realize that Floyd was NOT dehydrated to the point where he needed an IV.





Floyd's application was sent to WADA. I told you that WADA does not have a special wand that can magically determine that there was a well planned cover-up.

Here is an obvious case that has gone on for a while but WADA only followed thru once they were pressured due to media, athletes and so on coming out ... even then they didn't go far enough, people have criticized:
"Some athletes from other countries have criticized WADA, alleging that the agency has been reluctant to investigate Russia despite multiple tips over several years. WADA officials stated that the agency lacked the authority to carry out its own investigations .... the letter (by many groups of athletes and people) criticized the WADA organization for inaction and silence until the media became involved and said that athlete confidence in the anti-doping system had been "shattered".

You still can't comprehend properly, can you? The point of me dropping the WADA quotation is to show that there are cases in which IV rehydration is more effective than oral hydration. YOU are the one trying to run with the specific case that WADA mentions. Did you not see in the quotation where it says other forms of hypoatremia is treated with an infusion of normal saline??? Your speculation about whether they were able to diagnose him with that is just that...speculation. I can speculate that they did diagnose him with that and speculate that it's why he wasn't able to urinate though he was drinking water, which you love to point out. And again, you have no idea when he stopped doing road work or how it affected him over time, so give it up.

The point is, once again, that WADA mentions that there are situations where an IV would be more effective, and the physician has to state the case to the independent TUEC. Now I suggest you look at his medical records to find out about it instead of speculating about who was the doctor and speculating about WADA based on how they treated Russian athletes. That's beyond idiotic. I'm sure WADA looked at the application being that this was a huge event! The application, according to their rules, must be complete enough with specifics so that they themselves could approve it without even seeing the patient.

[travestyny]

So WADA doesn't know about the millions of Pact@rds crying foul. Lol.


I remember you saying it was "impossible" to grant a retro TUE according to WADA rules.


All anyone ever did was prove you wrong - as usual - and point out that WADA CODE states there are medical conditions or circumstances that would justify IV rehydration.


And don't forget diarrhea. That's listed as well. Remember?


No one is claiming to know the medical condition. Just pointing out that you and Thomas Hauser doesn't know what the **** you're talking about.


Now get on the phone and contact WADA and let them know about MAY VS PAC.

EXACTLY! Pretty much posted the same thing under your post, but you stated it much more clearly and to the point. I'm sure he still won't get it.

[aboutfkntime]

haha


mayweather demands showtime and mayweather promotions televise the fight
http://www.rappler.com/sports/by-spo...mands-pacquiao

mayweather wanting all ppv revenue while pac gets 40mil lump sum
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/boxer-pacq...034300007.html

mayweather demands pacs mom sing the philippines anthem but that she go away after in case she puts a hex on him
http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/...ulous-demands/

fluid demands pac leave arum
http://www.************.com/2014/01/...ght-to-happen/
"By Juan dela Cruz: The latest demand made by Floyd Mayweather Jnr for the Pacquiao fight to happen is that Manny should leave Top Rank because, according to Floyd, he doesn’t want to do business with Arum. With this, is the fight finally going to happen? Will Floyd finally face Pacquiao if and when Manny leave Top Rank? After several demands were met, will this be the last to be made by Floyd? Historically speaking, this won’t happen."

video showing fluid confessing that he stalled the fight because he's a businessman first and that it's about timing.. no mention of it having to do with pac refusing a drug test he demanded.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjo0gmNZSMk

Fk off you piece of shht

just what we needed, some 12yo clown trying to rewrite history

[aboutfkntime]

wow, this thread is over-run with crybaby pac-tards

pac-tards who are insisting that Manny did not kill that fight back in 2010 by PUBLICLY refusing to undertake USADA testing

you clowns should have bounties on your heads, it should be legal to run you over LMAO

[maguswarlock]

I've never said I know what ailment he had. I said WADA stated that there are cases in which IV rehydration is more efficient than oral hydration. Therefore, it's quite possible that he had one of these ailments, isn't it? I don't think any of us would know unless we have his medical records, which by the way were enough to convince the independent TUEC and WADA itself. That's the part you conveniently ignore, unless you want to speculate further that he paid off the TUEC and WADA.

no one, it appears, knew what ailment it had,
but just looking at fluid at fight night tells me he wasnt unwell enough to have needed an IV for "rehydration" purposes when oral rehydration more than serve the purpose.. unless he was using IV to mask prohibited substances which he didn't afterall tested for.. since of course blood manipulation wouldn't affect urine test.

So you should be able to tell USADA what to charge for their services? There were 19 drug tests each for Mayweather and Pacquaio, if I'm not mistaken. USADA also does more than just drug testing. Mayweather Promotions was the lead promoter and footed the bill. This is just more speculation from you since you can't go on the merits of the case. You are speculating that the amount means something was fishy. That's a big leap to judgement that you are making.

as far as i read mayweather only paid for the testing unless you can provide the invoice, or proof thereof

Also mayweather in lot of videos when refering to drug testing, always state "I use the best, the gold standard, usada" or something along those lines

fluid-usada are butt buddies I assume

So you are arguing that 50ml per 6 hours is enough to distort the biological passport? Then why is that WADA's allowed amount? Does that make any sense to you at all?

nope, im just trying to figure out why fluid was tested for urine when the supervising doctor/nurse etc approved of an IV.

and why was the IV approved when fluid had no clear medical condition that would necessitate it.

Nope, that's not what I said. You are having a really hard time following, bro. You mask a urine test by diluting. If the sample is tested to make sure that it isn't diluted, how is there masking?

im just trying to make sense that fluid wasn't tested for the IV he used, an IV he didn't need unless he was masking prohibited substances.

did he have hyponatremia? what kind? you couldn't even say just making stuff up so hoping that its in the exceptions list

Again, you are pointing to the amount that is allowed by WADA. Why would they allow the amount that can be used to mask? Wouldn't they disallow that amount and make the bare minimum the amount that would not be able to mask? Are you following?

who allowed the IV, and therefore the amount?
wasn't fluid given the IV in his house? and NOT A OFFICIAL MEDICAL FACILITY ?
was the supervising medical personnal alex ariza and memo heredia?

*sigh*. EPO is found by using a urine test. The blood test checks for hematocrit level. They had a partial urine sample from before the IV, as well as an undiluted urine sample from after the IV.

ok urine tests don't detect blood stuff etc, i know, im just inquiring about IV influence on ABP (athlete biological passport)

Bro! Vitamins are used to color the urine. Do you think coloring urine is going to fool USADA? Their tests are far beyond being fooled by an eye test for the urine's color.

As I stated above, masking is done by diluting. The samples were tested to make sure they weren't diluted.

gravity test right??? density.. doesn't matter whether the urine's colour is affected or not but so long as density of urine and content solutes are within their parameters.. athletes can use a concoction of vitamins to mask dilution of urine..
http://www.textfiles.com/drugs/urinetst.txt

but anyway there was no point to urine testing when fluid was given an IV, and fluid had no apparent (or disclosed) reason as to why he had the IV other than the obvious that is

The point is, no one knows without his medical records. What we do know is that the TUEC and WADA didn't have a problem with what they found in the medical records.

fluid also had the IV done in his own home, who administered the IV? Alex ariza? memo heredia? USADA?
fluid did pay USADA more than the norm for testing you know.. and no one knows why??

Wrong again. That's not how it works. It's YOU that has the burden of proof.
The burden of proof (Latin: onus probandi) is the duty of a party in a trial to produce the evidence that will shift the conclusion away from the default position to that party's own position.

The default position is that his health condition allowed him to take the IV under WADA's rules. You are attempting to shift it away from that position with no medical records. Good luck!

sigh..I do have a visual medical record.. fluid didn't have dry skin, and sunken eyes etc associated with symptons of dehydration.. also fluid moved well enough, tells me he didn't have severe enough dehydration to warrant use of IV

you need to provide proof that he was otherwise sickly enough to have needed an IV in opposition to my proof and record that he was well enough to have rehydrated orally and not used an IV.

you gave me heaps of speculation on something etc on hyponatremia

Vitamins can color the urine. This would be like me handing you a bottle of water, adding food coloring, and telling you it's fruit punch.

but vitamins can mask dilution of solutes etc can it not? i mean we are taking about specific gravity, density of urine content afterall

Because you know what the proper amount was that should have been paid. Just ignore the information about the partial urine sample and the specific gravity test to speculate.

chael sonnen got charged 40k

You don't know what his medical condition was, so this is more speculation. IF he had hyponatremia, then IV use would be recommended. That's just an example since none of us have his medical records.

he didn't look unwell enough that he would need an IV over oral rehydration,

For what? To satisfy the few PacRoaches who still have a problem with this? Bob Arum said it's a non issue. Pacquiao declined to protest. What does that tell you? Only us few numbskulls here are still talking about it.

yes bob arum said its a non issue and then recently said usada screwed up, theyre related mind you.

But how about this. If Pacquiao really had a full-thickness rotator cuff tear, which was a far bigger story than this one, why doesn't he release the MRI? Under your logic, he should. He got the doctor to come out and make a statement about it. Why not go further and release the MRI???

and there was a video of pac undergoing mri, he was in a medical facility? was there a video showing mayweather having the IV administered to him in his own home by alex ariza? no?

USADA released over 2,000 pages of his medical records due to the subpoena. If he had ever tested positive for anything in the past, the independent WADA accredited lab would have had to notify WADA immediately. Hauser is full of ****, and you're eating it up. USADA already tore him a new one and proved that he has no idea what he is talking about. This is a guy who thinks 55% hematocrit level can be reduced to 47% by taking 750ml of IV fluid. Even I can prove that's incorrect. He obviously didn't do his research.

can boxing trust usada?
afterall look at how they allowed fluid to have an IV when he didn't need it? and they still don't have an official reason as to why to IV was administered?

If I was usada or fluid himself and I know I did no wrong I would straight up release all relevant information regarding this?

did they?

judging by how you yourself are struggling to come up with a reason as to why fluid should be an exceptional case.. no i guess.

You're like a broken record. If the sample wasn't diluted (and no, coloring doesn't matter...lol), it isn't going to mask PEDs.

density, solute content,.. sigh