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  • Kigali
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    #51
    Originally posted by aboutfkntime
    erm..... and, Golovkin/Brook ?

    ..... or, is there is a reason why you didn't mention that fight ?

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      #52
      Originally posted by JoeMan
      What do you expect? You give them a million for each cab driver they fight, then of course they want millions on tougher fights. It's simple economics. But if you start with $50K per cab driver, then it wouldn't be so hard to offer them $300K for tougher fights.

      Boxing is dying.
      Saying it over and over won't make it true.

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      • Edward90
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        #53
        What's with these guys and fighting J-Rock?!? This fight should be happening. Flat out. Charlo better not walk away from this fight. Your value is determined by your fan base, which is determined by who you beat. Glove up or shut up..

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        • Boxing Logic
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          #54
          Typical Haymon fighter. Floyd is probably in his ear telling him "JRoc is good man! Why you fighting someone good? This is a business, not a sport. We're not fighting to prove to boxing fans who the best is! Don't agree to fight him!"

          He already delayed the fight months with a bull**** eye injury. If JRoc's team wasn't so smart and pushing this fight, taking no step aside offers, there's no way this fight would happen. Charlo definitely don't want it, like a typical Haymon fighter. JRoc's team needs to keep pushing and take it to purse bid if necessary.

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            #55
            Originally posted by Kigali
            He'll be running 160 before long.
            Agree with this. Once GGG gets old or retires, JRoc will move up. He doesn't want anything to do with prime GGG though, same as most the top guys 154 to 168. Really have to give props to Brook but maybe he just saw the $, and had trouble making 147, so he said f*** it.

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              #56
              Originally posted by JoeMan
              What do you expect? You give them a million for each cab driver they fight, then of course they want millions on tougher fights. It's simple economics. But if you start with $50K per cab driver, then it wouldn't be so hard to offer them $300K for tougher fights.

              Boxing is dying.
              No one is forcing you to watch and no one will care if you leave

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                #57
                Originally posted by bojangles1987
                What especially ****** about Thurman/Porter is that both fighters were very willing. No reason that fight should have taken so long to set up.
                Didn't Thurman get hurt? I know it could have been done faster, but the only significant delay that made me think it may not happen came from an accident, no?

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                • Boxing Logic
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by NaijaD
                  Far too many Haymon managed guys complain about money whenever it's time to face a threat, it's a common recurrence.

                  What is your explanation if you don't think these guys are overpaid for non competitive fights.
                  Exactly. Can't believe people even still argue this. You can take it to the bank, any time a Haymon fighter eventually, after years of sparring matches in primetime, has to fight a top opponent, you can expect the negotiations to drag out and the fighter to talk about he's not ducking even though he's already getting offered a career high payday, but how basically "this is a real scary fight and I only want to take it if I get overpaid! Why should I fight the top guys when I was making good money fighting Rod Salkas?" Just like Danny's dad said. That is the Haymon fighters philosophy now because that's how Floyd advises them, and because Haymon has enabled that entitled way of thinking by overpaying his stable to fight bums.

                  That was how Haymon reeled all these guys in to sign with him. He used the hedge fund to overpay everyone who came on board with him for the first year or two. But that was only supposed to be the strategy early on to get everyone under his umbrella. It's called a loss strategy. You overbid the market, and lose $ in the short term, but as a result of overbidding, you collect the entire market, you create a monopoly, and then once you have control of it all, you make your money back and way more because you control everything.

                  The problem is, the fighters didn't get the memo. They were used to getting overpaid during the "loss strategy" period, and now that it's time for Haymon to make the $ back with great fights within his stable, the fighters want nothing to do with it. They are used to getting overpaid to fight easy fights. And they've been indoctrinated by Floyd who tells them boxing isn't even about a sport, or fighting the best, it's just about getting paid for no risk. So now even when these fighters do get offered good paydays to fight the best, like Jacobs to fight GGG, they just say well that's by far a career high payday, but why would I do that when I can just fight Quillin twice? It's like I don't know... isn't getting paid more to just have to perform once better than twice? It's like if I said why would I take $100 bucks to do a five hour job when I could get $100 bucks to do a 10 hour job? Well yeah but then you have to work twice as much for the same payday.

                  But Haymon fighters are so scared of the top guys, they'd rather take the "risk" twice against a power puncher like Quillin than take the risk once against an ATG like GGG, I guess. And you see that every time with Haymon fighters. He and Floyd have them spoiled but hopefully Haymon will give them the message that the hedge fund is running low, and that it's time to make the money back now with great fights, and so the guys who aren't willing to actually fight the best now will be left behind. Either fight the best, or vacate, and you can go back to club level. That's what he needs to tell them.

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by MasterPlan
                    The fight will happen. Hell just last week place was going crazy with Ward is no wherever to be found, fight won't happen ect.
                    Exactly!!!!!!!!!

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Boxing Logic
                      Typical Haymon fighter. Floyd is probably in his ear telling him "JRoc is good man! Why you fighting someone good? This is a business, not a sport. We're not fighting to prove to boxing fans who the best is! Don't agree to fight him!"

                      He already delayed the fight months with a bull**** eye injury. If JRoc's team wasn't so smart and pushing this fight, taking no step aside offers, there's no way this fight would happen. Charlo definitely don't want it, like a typical Haymon fighter. JRoc's team needs to keep pushing and take it to purse bid if necessary.
                      Typical Haymon hater...jealous-hearted little peasant.

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