Comments Thread For: Golovkin: No Big Fights at 168, I Make 160 Easy - I'm Not Big 160

[Citizen Koba]

If he thought it was gonna be Canelo then why didn't he move down to 155 catchweight then like Floyd moved up to 154 for Oscar? Why didn't he agree to a split lower than 50 percent for Canelo like Floyd did for Oscar? Seriously, you just killed your own argument with that 'he thought Canelo would be his Oscar' statement.

Sure, you might have a point about Floyd growing into his body when he faced Castillo and em, however, that doesn't apply to Oscar does it, since he clearly was unable to make that 154 limit when he weighed in at 150lbs. He was also 150lbs on fight night against Canelo six years later, which proves that he never was able to grow into that weight class, but he still took em risks.

This aint about Mayweather you're right, it is about the fact that the others big names that GGG is comparing himself to took risks and had to accept unfavourable conditions in order to get to where they were, yet GGG, who isn't even a star yet, thinks has already reached that level where he can make demands whereas he hasn't. Even Canelo had to take the 152 catchweight and take small piece of the money in order to get that big fight with the cash cow. What concession is GGG making to get to that level?

Let's face the facts, GGG is a self entitled *****, more than any other fighter out there. Even the self entitled ******* (Cotto, Canelo, Mayweather, Pacquiao) all took way more risks and sacrificed way more than GGG to get to where they are. No wonder none of them are willing to give GGG a shot, why would they? Would you if you were in their shoes? If you had sacrificed as much as they did to get to the top and then this guy came along not willing to make the same kind of concessions you all had to make to earn your place at the top?

Seriously, I genuinely want to know, if you were in their shoes? Would you be able to accept GGG trying to call the shots in negotiations?

Hindsight's a wonderful thing ain't it. Of course GGG took risks - furthermore he tried to take more. The fact that they don't look like risks now... after he annihilated the likes of Macklin and Murray (who were considered tough opponents for P4P no 2 Maravilla)... does not detract from the risks as they were considered going into his fights. And Golovkin served his time too, 6 fckin years in boxing purgatory when he could and should have had a shot at Sturm... and stardom years before.

Canelo? Yeah I think GGG should - and likely would have bent a little to make the fight - but Oscar never offered it to him. And what's this BS ... if I were in there shoes? It's got nothing to do with some kinda moral high ground they're taking you space cadet. They won't fight him because they can get paid as (or nearly as) well, for fighting guys that are a lot less likely to beat them. Same reason Golovkin would much rather fight Canelo than Ward.

And concessions? Name me one other fighter - ever - who's been expected to drop to 1lb above the minimum divisional weight limit, with titles on the line. And once again - such an offer was never actually made - to our knowledge once negotiations started.

Oh. And you might want to learn the difference between facts and opinions too.

[aboutfkntime]

Why wouldn't they?

Eubank wanted the fight and instructed Matchroom to make it. Eddie Hearn obviously couldn't have foreseen any issues in putting it together.

What do you mean maybe Lara would have done it? Do you know how ridiculous that is? If GG hadn't have been fighting a Matchroom fighter, the event would have been pulled. GG either accepted Brook, or he'd have had to have fought another opponent in another venue. Again, this was a week before he was due to start camp. You guys have no concept of how things work.

SO FKN WHAT..... it is ****, you asshat !

Robert, you made that comment immediately after saying this.....

" Do you know how ridiculous that is? " LMAO

Insinuating that Golovkin had to fight on that magical date, or insinuating that Loeffler simply had to make a deal with Hearn, no matter who the opponent was..... IS BEYOND ******ED.

Don't be ridiculous, they could have simply selected someone else.

Your excuse, is the most ridiculous comment in this thread.

The current fanboi trend - and that is EXACTLY what it is, Robert - of refusing to hold a grown man accountable for his words/actions..... is disturbing.

You guys need help !

they could have simply selected someone else

[aboutfkntime]

Mayweather made $2.2 mil and Castillo $1.1 mil in the first fight, hardly chump change was it? And Floyd was still growing anyway - he was what.. 25? I'm not dissing Floyd at all, but moving up because you're still physically developing is hardly to be commended in and of itself, although what Floyd achieved while he was doing so is of course very special. And yeah - Oscar - the keys to superstardom. You're telling me that wasn't about daring to rich, as well as yeah, daring to be great. Where's Golovlkin's ODLH? He thought it was gonna be Canelo - but maybe he should have taken a gamble on Ward.

Mr " anyone from 154-168 " should have fought BOTH of those guys..... and he should have fought Cotto as well.

The fact that Mr " anyone from 154-168 " refused to fight Ward/Canelo/Cotto over the weight..... is somewhat baffling, and completely inexplicable.

Those guys are exactly the guys we thought Golovkin would fight after he ran around for FOUR YEARS talking all that "154-168" smack.

[aboutfkntime]

Hindsight's a wonderful thing ain't it. Of course GGG took risks - furthermore he tried to take more. The fact that they don't look like risks now... after he annihilated the likes of Macklin and Murray (who were considered tough opponents for P4P no 2 Maravilla)... does not detract from the risks as they were considered going into his fights. And Golovkin served his time too, 6 fckin years in boxing purgatory when he could and should have had a shot at Sturm... and stardom years before.

Canelo? Yeah I think GGG should - and likely would have bent a little to make the fight - but Oscar never offered it to him. And what's this BS ... if I were in there shoes? It's got nothing to do with some kinda moral high ground they're taking you space cadet. They won't fight him because they can get paid as (or nearly as) well, for fighting guys that are a lot less likely to beat them. Same reason Golovkin would much rather fight Canelo than Ward.

And concessions? Name me one other fighter - ever - who's been expected to drop to 1lb above the minimum divisional weight limit, with titles on the line. And once again - such an offer was never actually made - to our knowledge once negotiations started.

Oh. And you might want to learn the difference between facts and opinions too.

fcuk off

[Citizen Koba]

fcuk off

I'll not argue the toss with you, but despite the public proclamations by Canelo concerning his willingness (which is a different matter, but included fighting GGG at 160) I've yet to see anything from Oscar or Loeffler saying the fight was offered at any weight. Maybe I'm mistaken though - if you can link me up I'll happily tip my cap to you, I make mistakes all the time.

I seem to remember that Canelo's court case was cited as a reason why no fight was offered, and then that it needed to marinate and now that it will happen eventually, but nothing from Oscar - ever - saying that 'we offered Golovkin a contract under conditions XYZ and he refused'. Not faulting the guy or taking sides, just reporting what I've seen.

[hugh grant]

There's as many bums in the 168 division as there are in 160 division.
So would have to choose carefully opponent who isn't classed as bum.
Or maybe the standards are so high foir GGG that everyone becomes bums. Maybe if GGG beats degale, then degale would be one, or groves?

[Citizen Koba]

Mr " anyone from 154-168 " should have fought BOTH of those guys..... and he should have fought Cotto as well.

The fact that Mr " anyone from 154-168 " refused to fight Ward/Canelo/Cotto over the weight..... is somewhat baffling, and completely inexplicable.

Those guys are exactly the guys we thought Golovkin would fight after he ran around for FOUR YEARS talking all that "154-168" smack.

Ah bollocks - the **** does my head in. Feel like I'm being dragged in to 'defending' Golovkin, when all I was initially doing was making the general point that 'daring to be great' has always been more about 'daring to be rich', which I stand by.

Cotto. No. There was no offer from Cotto to fight GGG at any weight AFAIK - though once again, feel free to correct me. Golovkin took a step aside having been informed that Cotto wasn't going to fight him and (presumably) hoping that either that or another high paying MW unifier could be made in the future. The Ward offer wasn't refused over the weight but over the fact that Golovkin - should he get past Lemieux was mandated to fight the Canelo vs Cotto winner. The 164 wasn't an offer, they basically said at the time they simply weren't really interested in Ward - call it cowardice if you like - but that for them to even consider it it'd have to be on terms highly favourable to GGG. In their minds if not in reality Golovkin was on the road to big things.

And I don't get how he could have fought Ward and Canelo. The Ward offer was for 1 interim fight each (which would have been Lemieux for Golovkin) then fighting each other next). Are you proposing he should have tried to fight Ward at 168 then drop back to 155 for Canelo - if that fight was even still on the table (i suspect he'd have lost the mandate, but that could have been negotiated I suppose). That would have been truly heroic. I think Golovkin's a really good fighter, but does that scenario make sense to you? Or maybe he should have offered 155 to Canelo and then jumped to 168 for Ward? Possibly, but that wasn't the offered contract and Ward himself was under time pressure from HBO - he needed to seal a big fight which meant either GGG or Kovalev. Would he have been able to wait around for Golovkin to negotiate a fight with Canelo? Maybe - we'll never know, but there's some big egos in there and that's a lot of balls to be juggling - we could just as easily have ended up with what we have now - fuck all in other words.

I guess I just try to take a view which takes account of as many factors as possible, I'm not blaming one side or another it's just the BS that is the fight game, especially when the big $s are involved.

[robertzimmerman]

Lol! Dude big fights don't just rock up out of nowhere, you have to earn them first. How much did Mayweather make when he moved up to face Castillo x2? How much he make when he moved up to face Judah and Baldomir?

Even when he moved up to face Oscar, despite the fight itself making lots of doe, he didn't really get that much as he had to settle for 25% split, he also had to wear the gloves Oscar wanted and had to move up weight without a catchweight.

Those are the sacrifices other guys had to make to get to the top. What sacrifice has ***** G made to get to the top?

You're really going to compare the circumstances between Oscar-Floyd to GG-Canelo?

[robertzimmerman]

If he thought it was gonna be Canelo then why didn't he move down to 155 catchweight then like Floyd moved up to 154 for Oscar? Why didn't he agree to a split lower than 50 percent for Canelo like Floyd did for Oscar? Seriously, you just killed your own argument with that 'he thought Canelo would be his Oscar' statement.

Sure, you might have a point about Floyd growing into his body when he faced Castillo and em, however, that doesn't apply to Oscar does it, since he clearly was unable to make that 154 limit when he weighed in at 150lbs. He was also 150lbs on fight night against Canelo six years later, which proves that he never was able to grow into that weight class, but he still took em risks.

This aint about Mayweather you're right, it is about the fact that the others big names that GGG is comparing himself to took risks and had to accept unfavourable conditions in order to get to where they were, yet GGG, who isn't even a star yet, thinks has already reached that level where he can make demands whereas he hasn't. Even Canelo had to take the 152 catchweight and take small piece of the money in order to get that big fight with the cash cow. What concession is GGG making to get to that level?

Let's face the facts, GGG is a self entitled *****, more than any other fighter out there. Even the self entitled ******* (Cotto, Canelo, Mayweather, Pacquiao) all took way more risks and sacrificed way more than GGG to get to where they are. No wonder none of them are willing to give GGG a shot, why would they? Would you if you were in their shoes? If you had sacrificed as much as they did to get to the top and then this guy came along not willing to make the same kind of concessions you all had to make to earn your place at the top?

Seriously, I genuinely want to know, if you were in their shoes? Would you be able to accept GGG trying to call the shots in negotiations?

What are you talking about?

1. Wanting a huge unification fight to be fought at the limit is not a demand.

2. We now know that even if GG had jumped at the opportunity to go to 155, the fight still wouldn't be happening next. Oscar doesn't want it yet.

[robertzimmerman]

SO FKN WHAT..... it is ****, you asshat !

Robert, you made that comment immediately after saying this.....

" Do you know how ridiculous that is? " LMAO

Insinuating that Golovkin had to fight on that magical date, or insinuating that Loeffler simply had to make a deal with Hearn, no matter who the opponent was..... IS BEYOND ******ED.

Don't be ridiculous, they could have simply selected someone else.

Your excuse, is the most ridiculous comment in this thread.

The current fanboi trend - and that is EXACTLY what it is, Robert - of refusing to hold a grown man accountable for his words/actions..... is disturbing.

You guys need help !

they could have simply selected someone else

I need help?

You are one of the biggest clowns on this forum. Debating purely on hate without even entertaining the thought of being objective.


What do you mean "so what?" you absolute ******.

How many more times does it need explaining?

It's easy for you to say "so what?" because you're just a hater behind a keyboard.

GG had everything set up. He'd signed a contract to fight Eubank. The venue had been booked, his HBO date had been booked, his training camp had been set up. Have you any idea what goes in to making a fight? Eddie Hearn of Matchroom offered him Brook as a late replacement for the exact same terms, on the exact same date, on a huge U.K. PPV, again, with his camp to start the following week, yet you think he should have refused Brook and walked away? Why?? Nobody would have given that up. It literally would have made zero sense. Brook can just be used as a keep busy fight, but one that pays him well and introduces him to a new set of fans.


What do you mean they could simply have selected someone else?

Who else could they have selected at such notice?

HBO were happy, and again, everything had been set up.

Why would he have refused and given up the date, when Brook was already his 3rd choice?

He couldn't fight Canelo, Jacobs, BJS or Eubank, but he could simply have selected someone else? Yeah, sure.

I'll await the names.


You are absolutely ****ing clueless.

A total embarrassment with no concept of anything.