Comments Thread For: Golovkin: No Big Fights at 168, I Make 160 Easy - I'm Not Big 160

[Shadoww702]

He's said numerous times he'll move up after he's accomplished his MW goals.

There's no reason for him not to move up.

You can sht and one hand and wish in the other...Tell me which fills up first. He's said a LOT of things at 34 years old it ain't happening. Bet on THAT!

[robertzimmerman]

I'll not argue the toss with you, but despite the public proclamations by Canelo concerning his willingness (which is a different matter, but included fighting GGG at 160) I've yet to see anything from Oscar or Loeffler saying the fight was offered at any weight. Maybe I'm mistaken though - if you can link me up I'll happily tip my cap to you, I make mistakes all the time.

I seem to remember that Canelo's court case was cited as a reason why no fight was offered, and then that it needed to marinate and now that it will happen eventually, but nothing from Oscar - ever - saying that 'we offered Golovkin a contract under conditions XYZ and he refused'. Not faulting the guy or taking sides, just reporting what I've seen.

There were zero negotiations where any specifics were discussed.

The whole thing was an embarrassment.

They were supposed to be negotiating after the Khan fight. Then all of a sudden, the WBC's deadlines (that they'd known about for months) were deemed unreasonable. So they apparently relinquished the belt to make negotiations easier. Then nothing happened. Then the next thing we knew, they'd agreed to fight Liam Smith at JMW. It was only AFTER that fight had been signed that Oscar met K2, where they had brief, informal negotiations for a POSSIBLE fight at SOME POINT next year, with NOTHING in writing.

[robertzimmerman]

Ah bollocks - the **** does my head in. Feel like I'm being dragged in to 'defending' Golovkin, when all I was initially doing was making the general point that 'daring to be great' has always been more about 'daring to be rich', which I stand by.

Cotto. No. There was no offer from Cotto to fight GGG at any weight AFAIK - though once again, feel free to correct me. Golovkin took a step aside having been informed that Cotto wasn't going to fight him and (presumably) hoping that either that or another high paying MW unifier could be made in the future. The Ward offer wasn't refused over the weight but over the fact that Golovkin - should he get past Lemieux was mandated to fight the Canelo vs Cotto winner. The 164 wasn't an offer, they basically said at the time they simply weren't really interested in Ward - call it cowardice if you like - but that for them to even consider it it'd have to be on terms highly favourable to GGG. In their minds if not in reality Golovkin was on the road to big things.

And I don't get how he could have fought Ward and Canelo. The Ward offer was for 1 interim fight each (which would have been Lemieux for Golovkin) then fighting each other next). Are you proposing he should have tried to fight Ward at 168 then drop back to 155 for Canelo - if that fight was even still on the table (i suspect he'd have lost the mandate, but that could have been negotiated I suppose). That would have been truly heroic. I think Golovkin's a really good fighter, but does that scenario make sense to you? Or maybe he should have offered 155 to Canelo and then jumped to 168 for Ward? Possibly, but that wasn't the offered contract and Ward himself was under time pressure from HBO - he needed to seal a big fight which meant either GGG or Kovalev. Would he have been able to wait around for Golovkin to negotiate a fight with Canelo? Maybe - we'll never know, but there's some big egos in there and that's a lot of balls to be juggling - we could just as easily have ended up with what we have now - fuck all in other words.

I guess I just try to take a view which takes account of as many factors as possible, I'm not blaming one side or another it's just the BS that is the fight game, especially when the big $s are involved.

What a great post, full of logic. We're on exactly the same page. But that clown who we're both trying to debate with does not use logic or allow for circumstances.

[robertzimmerman]

You can sht and one hand and wish in the other...Tell me which fills up first. He's said a LOT of things at 34 years old it ain't happening. Bet on THAT!

Think want you want.

I couldn't care less.

When he moves up I'll bump the thread.

[Sledgeweather17]

You're really going to compare the circumstances between Oscar-Floyd to GG-Canelo?

Definitely! Floyd circumstances were even worse, Floyd had been legit p4p number one for years already and still had to take **** from Oscar to get the fight made.

GGG aint even p4p number 1 nor does he have any legacy fights like Corrales and Castillo under his belt. How can he expect to be the one calling shots?

Do I think Canelo is being a pusssified diva for making these catchweight demands? Yeah most definitely, but so was Oscar when he made Floyd wear pillow gloves, made him move up to a weight he couldn't even make neither on the one day or fight night weigh in, and then gave the p4p number 1, four division champ, only 25 percent of the split.

The true elite took that Diva **** coz they knew that it was a risk that had to be taken to get to the top, they could call the shots afterwards if they pulled through.

Tripply pusssy wants the stardom without making the neccessary sacrifices. Canelo is a pusssy that's for sure, but Triple G is just as bad. He is the closest thing to Canelo in boxing right now.

He doesn't even want to yield on the 50/50 split thing, defaq? How can he ask Canelo for a 50/50 split? Even Manny didn't get a 50/50 split.

Of course, that's no excuse for Canelo. He could have waited for purse bid, and purse bid guarantees that Canelo gets 75 percent. So the fact he didn't go that root means he meant to duck anyway, but the fact remains, Tripple G is either a pusssy or he is one delusional mtf!

[Jloro]

Yeah that big fight at 160 against a welterweight lmao. what big fight has he had??m

[aboutfkntime]

I need help?

You are one of the biggest clowns on this forum. Debating purely on hate without even entertaining the thought of being objective.


What do you mean "so what?" you absolute ******.

How many more times does it need explaining?

It's easy for you to say "so what?" because you're just a hater behind a keyboard.

GG had everything set up. He'd signed a contract to fight Eubank. The venue had been booked, his HBO date had been booked, his training camp had been set up. Have you any idea what goes in to making a fight? Eddie Hearn of Matchroom offered him Brook as a late replacement for the exact same terms, on the exact same date, on a huge U.K. PPV, again, with his camp to start the following week, yet you think he should have refused Brook and walked away? Why?? Nobody would have given that up. It literally would have made zero sense. Brook can just be used as a keep busy fight, but one that pays him well and introduces him to a new set of fans.


What do you mean they could simply have selected someone else?

Who else could they have selected at such notice?

HBO were happy, and again, everything had been set up.

Why would he have refused and given up the date, when Brook was already his 3rd choice?

He couldn't fight Canelo, Jacobs, BJS or Eubank, but he could simply have selected someone else? Yeah, sure.

I'll await the names.


You are absolutely ****ing clueless.

A total embarrassment with no concept of anything.

SO FKN WHAT..... it is a **** fight, you asshat !

They could have simply changed it !

They could have simply selected someone else !

Attempting to insinuate they had no other choice is just plain DUMB !

Stop being DUMB !




stop pretending that 97,000 PPV buys wouldn't generate more than "Quillin money"

stop pretending that Loeffler couldn't simply make that fight anyway

stop pretending they couldn't have simply rung Lara

stop pretending that 97,000 PPV buys wouldn't generate more than the 1.5mil they offered Saunders

stop pretending that Golovkin could not generate more than 97,000 buys in his 2nd PPV attempt, or even closer to the 150k-200k they originally stated

stop pretending that Golovkin had to meet some divine imaginary date, they could have simply found a better opponent

stop pretending that K2 had to accept an offer from Hearn, they could have simply found a better opponent

stop pretending that Eddie Hearn totally forgot to mention Degale

stop pretending that Tom Loeffler totally forgot to request Degale

stop pretending that Tom Loeffler totally forgot about 168, period

stop pretending that a good SMW opponent would not generate more interest/notoriety - which would lead to a better financial upside - than the doomed welterweight Brook

[aboutfkntime]

stop pretending that 97,000 PPV buys wouldn't generate more than "Quillin money"

stop pretending that Loeffler couldn't simply make that fight anyway

stop pretending they couldn't have simply rung Lara

stop pretending that 97,000 PPV buys wouldn't generate more than the 1.5mil they offered Saunders

stop pretending that Golovkin could not generate more than 97,000 buys in his 2nd PPV attempt, or even closer to the 150k-200k they originally stated

stop pretending that Golovkin had to meet some divine imaginary date, they could have simply found a better opponent

stop pretending that K2 had to accept an offer from Hearn, they could have simply found a better opponent

stop pretending that Eddie Hearn totally forgot to mention Degale

stop pretending that Tom Loeffler totally forgot to request Degale

stop pretending that Tom Loeffler totally forgot about 168, period

stop pretending that a good SMW opponent would not generate more interest/notoriety - which would lead to a better financial upside - than the doomed welterweight Brook

you " wise gentlemen " did not find yourselves unwitting embroiled within a cunning interlaced web of deception, lies, and deceit.....



you clowns fell for a ridiculous pile of horse-****..... AGAIN LMAO

[robertzimmerman]

SO FKN WHAT..... it is a **** fight, you asshat !

They could have simply changed it !

They could have simply selected someone else !

Attempting to insinuate they had no other choice is just plain DUMB !

Stop being DUMB !




stop pretending that 97,000 PPV buys wouldn't generate more than "Quillin money"

stop pretending that Loeffler couldn't simply make that fight anyway

stop pretending they couldn't have simply rung Lara

stop pretending that 97,000 PPV buys wouldn't generate more than the 1.5mil they offered Saunders

stop pretending that Golovkin could not generate more than 97,000 buys in his 2nd PPV attempt, or even closer to the 150k-200k they originally stated

stop pretending that Golovkin had to meet some divine imaginary date, they could have simply found a better opponent

stop pretending that K2 had to accept an offer from Hearn, they could have simply found a better opponent

stop pretending that Eddie Hearn totally forgot to mention Degale

stop pretending that Tom Loeffler totally forgot to request Degale

stop pretending that Tom Loeffler totally forgot about 168, period

stop pretending that a good SMW opponent would not generate more interest/notoriety - which would lead to a better financial upside - than the doomed welterweight Brook

You really are the dumbest **** on this forum. And I'd like to congratulate you, because that's quite an achievement.


Why do keep saying "so what?"

You expected him to walk away from Brook with everything set up?

They could SIMPLY have found a better opponent. Really? WHO??

Why??

Give me a logical reason why he'd have walked, when his camp was set up and he had a contract in front of him for the same terms as Eubank?

Oh, he could just have phoned Lara, right? Yeah, a Showtime JMW who brings nothing to the table. Good one.


In fact, forget everything I've typed above.

Do me a HUGE favour and NEVER reply back to me again.


You are an absolute ****ING IDIOT!

[aboutfkntime]

You really are the dumbest **** on this forum. And I'd like to congratulate you, because that's quite an achievement.


Why do keep saying "so what?"

You expected him to walk away from Brook with everything set up?

They could SIMPLY have found a better opponent. Really? WHO??

Why??

Give me a logical reason why he'd have walked, when his camp was set up and he had a contract in front of him for the same terms as Eubank?

Oh, he could just have phoned Lara, right? Yeah, a Showtime JMW who brings nothing to the table. Good one.


In fact, forget everything I've typed above.

Do me a HUGE favour and NEVER reply back to me again.


You are an absolute ****ING IDIOT!

Why..... ?

Because it is a **** fight, you fool.




ROBERT, stop pretending that 97,000 PPV buys wouldn't generate more than "Quillin money"

ROBERT, stop pretending that Loeffler couldn't simply make that fight anyway

ROBERT, stop pretending they couldn't have simply rung Lara

ROBERT, stop pretending that 97,000 PPV buys wouldn't generate more than the 1.5mil they offered Saunders

ROBERT, stop pretending that Golovkin could not generate more than 97,000 buys in his 2nd PPV attempt, or even closer to the 150k-200k they originally stated

ROBERT, stop pretending that Golovkin had to meet some divine imaginary date, they could have simply found a better opponent

ROBERT, stop pretending that K2 had to accept an offer from Hearn, they could have simply found a better opponent

ROBERT, stop pretending that Eddie Hearn totally forgot to mention Degale

ROBERT, stop pretending that Tom Loeffler totally forgot to request Degale

ROBERT, stop pretending that Tom Loeffler totally forgot about 168, period

ROBERT, stop pretending that a good SMW opponent would not generate more interest/notoriety - which would lead to a better financial upside - than the doomed welterweight Brook




I answered your question Robert, you fanboi clown




FACT: you are a total fkn moron if you think they had no choice but to select Brook..... seriously how old are you, smarten up dumbass.

The way that you are attempting to convince me that I should be as gullible as you are..... is highly amusing.