Comments Thread For: Golovkin: No Big Fights at 168, I Make 160 Easy - I'm Not Big 160

[robertzimmerman]

He should of turned down Brook because it makes him look like a sell out and a "business man" and we all know GGG ain't that remember? He could of tried to fight ANY of the belt holders at 168 who he somehow is too good for now. Because he's big time didn't you see his PPV numbers against Lemieux. Can't say he can't get no fights when Phuk boy just fought Wade and fought Monroe last year. So these guys are all big enough for GGG to fight but if Eubank backs out there is no other choice but expose himself as a fraud and fight Brook AFTER he just clowned and criticized Canelo fighting Khan for months? This is prime example why you keep your mouth shut about other peoples business. Easy to say Canelo is just a business man early in the year. But looks like a complete joke now that he is fighting a WW and dragging him up more weight for the sake of "business".

So if you'd have been in his shoes and you'd have had a long standing HBO date, a contract in front of you for the same terms as Eubank, and your training camp had been set up for you for the following week, you'd have walked away? No, I don't think so. Brook was a last minute replacement to keep his date and to salvage the event.

He could have tried to have fought the SMW holders instead? Really? Who? DeGale and Jack are in the middle of negotiations and they have been for some time. Zurdo is injured.

Why have you mentioned Wade when he was a mandatory?

Yes, his comments have come back to haunt him. Fair enough. But it's just one of those things. He was entitled to criticise Canelo and Oscar for their actions, and he couldn't have foreseen that Eubank Snr's ego would have gone out of control.

[robertzimmerman]

Has Canelo EVER fought at 160? Did GGG demand him to move up? But somehow when 168lb fighters demand GGG to move up all that matters is well GGG is comfortable fighting where he is at and has never fought at 168 so you have to wait till he moves up or you have to come down to his weight. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS! That's why GGG is a phuking clown. If he wanted the fight with Canelo he could of dropped the weight like he said for years he would do.

This is completely pointless.

Canelo HELD THE GOD DAMN LINEAL MW BELT!

He became the MW champion.

Which 168 fighters are demanding GG to move up?

[bigdunny1]

So if you'd have been in his shoes and you'd have had a long standing HBO date, a contract in front of you for the same terms as Eubank, and your training camp had been set up for you for the following week, you'd have walked away? No, I don't think so. Brook was a last minute replacement to keep his date and to salvage the event.

He could have tried to have fought the SMW holders instead? Really? Who? DeGale and Jack are in the middle of negotiations and they have been for some time. Zurdo is injured.

Why have you mentioned Wade when he was a mandatory?

Yes, his comments have come back to haunt him. Fair enough. But it's just one of those things. He was entitled to criticise Canelo and Oscar for their actions, and he couldn't have foreseen that Eubank Snr's ego would have gone out of control.

If I was in his shoes I would of kept my mouth shut about other fighters business. When you judge others you look like a jack @ss and a fraud if you ever do the same thing. That's the point if he kept his mouth shut I wouldn't complain about brook.

[robertzimmerman]

bigdunny1,

Answer my question do you think Canelo or Cotto fought each other because they wanted to move to 160? Yes or no. Boxing is filled with tons of examples where guys move up or down strictly for a big fight and if the belt is on the line great but the real key is the big fight and they don't give a damn what a alphabelt group has mandated. He fought at 155 he had no intentions of moving to 160 any time soon whether a belt was on the line or not I could give 2 shyts and even GGG's own team says neither guy are middleweights. Why they saying that because they fought at 155 NOT 160 duh.

He was happy to win the belt.

He was happy to be declared the lineal champ whilst he fought Khan.

It's okay for you to say that he had no intentions of fighting a MW at MW, but we both know that he invited GG into the ring after Khan playing the big man.

He did vacate the belt but you upset he didn't do it right away? Maybe he thought GGG wouldn't be ****** enough to kill a fight by making a weight demand with the A side fighter who happens to be the biggest draw in boxing right now. And it was GGG and his camp who granted Canelo a voluntary fight. So if you upset about that then be upset with GGG. Why you give a voluntary fight when Canelo and his camp made it known if GGG fought him it would be at their weight. They said this BEFORE and after the Khan fight. If you think mr 100ppv flop had leverage being the mandatory was enough to force a bigger star to give up weight you out your mind and it backfired. GGG ain't Mayweather. Don't have the resume or ppv sales to make a weight demand on Canelo. And until GGG is willing move up in weight like he demands Canelo he is f ing hypocrite. In the meantime just like he tells guys at 168 you can sit and wait till Canelo moves up to 160.

Of course I'm upset that he didn't relinquish straight away. Again, he invited GG into the ring, talked adrenaline fuelled nonsense, then he went to sign a contract to fight Liam Smith. It's a joke.

Maybe he thought GG wouldn't have been ****** enough to kill the fight by a weight demand? How many ****ing drugs have you consumed tonight? He knew when he fought Khan that GG would only fight at 160. He knew when he invited him into the ring he would only fight at 160. Yes, GG accepted his voluntary request. And why wouldn't he have done, when it appeared that they wanted to fight him afterwards?

I can't even be bothered with you anymore.

I've spent far too long debating you when there's other forums and threads.

We'll leave it there.

It's absolutely pointless in continuing.

You are completely biased and you have no intention of having an objective debate.

[robertzimmerman]

If I was in his shoes I would of kept my mouth shut about other fighters business. When you judge others you look like a jack @ss and a fraud if you ever do the same thing. That's the point if he kept his mouth shut I wouldn't complain about brook.

No, you wouldn't have, not unless you possess psychic powers. He was right to criticise them after they'd messed him around. And who really gives a **** what Oscar and Canelo think anyway? They strung GG along, gave BS excuses and signed to fight Smith. GG is only fighting Brook out of necessity. And he would never be fighting him if Canelo hadn't have ran. So **** them and all of his fans.

Anyway, It's been fun, but I've had enough.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

I'm going to find some other topics to discuss.

I'll catch you on another debate at some point.

[stuff jones]

Not a single poster able to refute this guy.

Who is the big fight at 168?

[bigjavi973]

Yeah there was a SMW division during Hagler's time -

The current super middleweight division traces its beginning to 1984, when Murray Sutherland defeated Ernie Singletary for the International Boxing Federation version of the title. The World Boxing Association created its version of the super middleweight title when reigning Lineal champion Chong Pal Park defeated Jesus Gallardo in 1987 (Park had been IBF champion before relinquishing the title to fight for the inaugural WBA version).

Did you forget this part:

. The World Boxing Council crowned its first champion in 1988 when Sugar Ray Leonard defeated Donny Lalonde in a fight that was also for its version of the light heavyweight title.


took you all that time just to google and go to wiki

again... once the WBC recognized the weight in 1988, all the sanctioning bodies recognized that weight as a legitimate weight class.

go take your google + wiki bs somewhere else.

[stuff jones]

Canelo is the big fight. You know, the guy who is the same size as him.

[Ake-Dawg]

bigdunny1,



He was happy to win the belt.

He was happy to be declared the lineal champ whilst he fought Khan.

It's okay for you to say that he had no intentions of fighting a MW at MW, but we both know that he invited GG into the ring after Khan playing the big man.

Of course I'm upset that he didn't relinquish straight away. Again, he invited GG into the ring, talked adrenaline fuelled nonsense, then he went to sign a contract to fight Liam Smith. It's a joke.

Maybe he thought GG wouldn't have been ****** enough to kill the fight by a weight demand? How many ****ing drugs have you consumed tonight? He knew when he fought Khan that GG would only fight at 160. He knew when he invited him into the ring he would only fight at 160. Yes, GG accepted his voluntary request. And why wouldn't he have done, when it appeared that they wanted to fight him afterwards?

I can't even be bothered with you anymore.

I've spent far too long debating you when there's other forums and threads.

We'll leave it there.

It's absolutely pointless in continuing.

You are completely biased and you have no intention of having an objective debate.

1. No one knows who the "lineal champs" are. That title is a joke. Bringing it up is grasping for straws.

2. If Trip wanted the belt as opposed to the big money fight vs Cotto or Alvarez he would have never stepped aside. TWICE.

3. How is Alvarez post fight statement held to a higher regard than Trip saying 154-168 for a big fight?

4. Bottom line, Team GGG plays the same risk reward games as every other fighters. Why can't he be subject to criticism just like other fighters?

[Eastcoast]

Did you forget this part:

. The World Boxing Council crowned its first champion in 1988 when Sugar Ray Leonard defeated Donny Lalonde in a fight that was also for its version of the light heavyweight title.


took you all that time just to google and go to wiki

again... once the WBC recognized the weight in 1988, all the sanctioning bodies recognized that weight as a legitimate weight class.

go take your google + wiki bs somewhere else.

No one's talking about the WBC, the IBF started in '84. It took 5 seconds to Google that, I got other stuff to do than worry about you. You don't see me showing up where you work and start knocking ****s out of your mouth.

You asked if the division existed, the answer is yes, too bad you don't like it. It's moot anyways. There were no big fights for Hagler to move to take, so he had no reason to move up as he was legit size for a MW.